LaVeyan Satanism

Posted on September 27, 2009

So, I’ve been reading on here a lot of things about God etc. However I mention Laveys Satanism to a couple people and the belief I see in it. And automatically I worship Satan and want to sacrifice myself to him etc… I just want everyone to check out some of the laws etc…

Law of Satanism

Lex talionis, the Law of Retaliation� informed much of LaVey’s Satanic formulation. “Do unto others as they do unto you” supplanted the directive to “do unto others as you would have them do unto you”, so that you are only to give compassion and sympathy to those who deserve it. It is a reactive rule, compared with the Christian proactive rule; by the rule, love, compassion, and sympathy are not to be wasted upon “ingrates”; these are to be given only to those who the practitioner feels deserves them. The religion of Satanism, as LaVey espouses it, is centered almost exclusively upon the concept of being one’s own god; as such, values and attachments such as love, affection, and caring, along with opposing concepts such as hate and wrath, are to be disseminated at the discretion of the individual Satanist. As such, it is the individual’s responsibility (and not that of a god, or the fault of any devil) to both justify and accept the consequences of their actions. LaVey felt that intelligent and strong people spent too much time caring for psychic vampires � weak individuals who always demanded attention and care, yet would never give any back. He taught that Satanists should strive to remove themselves as much as possible from such people in order to live in accordance to their instincts and individual wills.

“The Nine Satanic Statements”

* Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence!
* Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams!
* Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit!
* Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it, instead of love wasted on ingrates!
* Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek!
* Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires!
* Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his �divine spiritual and intellectual development,� has become the most vicious animal of all.
* Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!
* Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years!

“The Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth”

* Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.
* Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.
* When in another�s lair, show them respect or else do not go there.
* If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat them cruelly and without mercy.
* Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.
* Do not take that which does not belong to you, unless it is a burden to the other person and they cry out to be relieved.
* Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.
* Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.
* Do not harm young children.
* Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.
* When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask them to stop. If they do not stop, destroy them.

“The Nine Satanic Sins”

Stupidity � The top of the list for Satanic Sins. The Cardinal Sin of Satanism. It�s too bad that stupidity isn�t painful. Ignorance is one thing, but our society thrives increasingly on stupidity. It depends on people going along with whatever they are told. The media promotes a cultivated stupidity as a posture that is not only acceptable but laudable. Satanists must learn to see through the tricks and cannot afford to be stupid.

Pretentiousness � Empty posturing can be most irritating and isn�t applying the cardinal rules of Lesser Magic. This is on equal footing with stupidity for what keeps the money in circulation these days. Everyone�s made to feel like a big shot, whether they can come up with the goods or not.

Solipsism � Projecting your reactions, responses, and sensibilities onto someone who is probably far less attuned than you are can be very dangerous for Satanists. It is the mistake of expecting people to give you the same consideration, courtesy and respect that you naturally give them. They won�t. Instead, Satanists must strive to apply the dictum of �Do unto others as they do unto you.� It�s work for most of us, and requires constant vigilance, lest you slip into a comfortable illusion of everyone being like you. As it has been said, certain utopias would be ideal in a nation of philosophers, but unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately, from a Machiavellian standpoint) we are far from that point.

Self-deceit � It�s in the �Nine Satanic Statements�, but deserves to be repeated here. It is another cardinal sin. We must not pay homage to any of the sacred cows presented to us, including the roles we are expected to play ourselves. The only time self-deceit should be entered into is when it�s fun, and with awareness. But then, it�s not self-deceit!

Herd Conformity � That�s obvious from a Satanic stance. It�s all right to conform to a person�s wishes, if it ultimately benefits you. But only fools follow along with the herd, letting an impersonal entity dictate to you. The key is to choose a master wisely, instead of being enslaved by the whims of the many.

Lack of perspective � Again, this one can lead to a lot of pain for a Satanist. You must never lose sight of who and what you are, and what a threat you can be, by your very existence. We are making history right now, every day. Always keep the wider historical and social picture in mind. That is an important key to both Lesser and Greater Magic. See the patterns and fit things together as you want the pieces to fall into place. Do not be swayed by herd constraints: Know that you are working on another level entirely from the rest of the world.

Forgetfulness of Past Orthodoxies � Be aware that this is one of the keys to brainwashing people into accepting something new and different, when in reality it�s something that was once widely accepted but is now presented in a new package. We are expected to rave about the genius of the creator and forget the original. This makes for a disposable society.

Counterproductive Pride � That first word is important. Pride is great up to the point you begin to throw out the baby with the bathwater. The rule of Satanism is: If it works for you, great. When it stops working for you, when you�ve painted yourself into a corner and the only way out is to say, “I�m sorry, I made a mistake, I wish we could compromise somehow,” then do it.

Lack of Aesthetics � This is the physical application of the Balance Factor. Aesthetics is important in Lesser Magic and should be cultivated. It is obvious that no one can collect any money off classical standards of beauty and form most of the time, so they are discouraged in a consumer society; but an eye for beauty, for balance, is an essential Satanic tool and must be applied for greatest magical effectiveness. It�s not what�s supposed to be pleasing: It�s what is. Aesthetics is a personal thing, reflective of one�s own nature, but there are universally pleasing and harmonious configurations that should not be denied.

Sent in by K.C.




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91 Responses to “LaVeyan Satanism”
  1. Anonymous says:

    Wow, you have quite the religion there. How much do you think Satan will care, that you follow him??

    • brennen says:

      anonymous. you obviously failed to read any of the article. not once does it mention you should worship any form of deity. as a matter of fact, it tells you following such deities is foolish.

  2. KC says:

    If you read it. Its not about hailing satan himself and loving him its more of hailing yourself.

  3. Fenwinkel says:

    Where does satan fit into all of this? I see principles and beliefs, but do you believe that satan will save your soul if you live according to those rules? If you follow satan, do you believe that you will go to hell when you die? Regarding what you wrote, I believe your “religion” could be called anything. Why was the word satanism chosen? Was it to shock people? Who is LaVay?

  4. Jonathan says:

    Satanism is bad name for this religion. But one thing that stand sout is by following this religion your are performing the second sin of Pretentiousness because most of what it preaches is pretentious.

  5. KC says:

    Lavay is the man who created this religion. I dont feel i should have to defend my religion but i do like seeing what you all have to say

    • jim says:

      pray to the God of heaven and earth.why worship the created when u can worship the creator????!!!!

  6. child like says:

    IT ALWAYS LEAVES THE FINE SMALL PRINT OUT SO WHEN THE END COMES NEAR IT WILL BE TO LATE FOR YOUR SOUL TO BE SAVED BY CHRIST. SURE BE KIND ONLY TO THE ONES WHO IS KIND TO YOU BUT CHRIST SHOWED MERCY TO ALL , EVERYONE IN EARTH. TRUST ME IN THE END YOU WILL BE BEGGING CHRIST TO SAVE YOUR SOUL. LAUGH ABOUT IT NOW BUT LATER YOU WILL BE CRYING.

  7. Fenwinkel says:

    I decided to do a search for LaVey. There is a very interesting article about him from birth to death at

    http://www.controverscial.com/Satanism%20-%20Anton%20LaVay.htm

    Start reading under the picture of Mr. LaVey, about one screen down. Below is a quote I took from the site regarding a book which he wrote.

    “The Compleat Witch followed in 1971 (re-released in 1989 as The Satanic Witch). This is a manual teaching the ways and means of manipulating people and their actions, solely toward the achievement of their own goals. This he promoted through his Friday night lectures into which he instituted a series of �Witches� Workshops� to instruct women in the art of attaining their will through glamour, feminine wiles, and the skilful discovery and exploitation of men�s fetishes.” The part about women sounds very sexist to me.

    It will take you about five minutes to read the entire article, and it did satisfy my curiosity about who this fellow was.

  8. KC says:

    Im not laughing at the thought of christ saving my soul nor would i. In fact i was raised roman catholic as well as in my teens i went to a christian church. And it was just never the place for me. Im not a BAD person its just that i believe in one self and there is bad in all of us. I do not judge everyone on having faith in christ so i dont feel need to be judged either. All opinions are welcome!

  9. raven says:

    that is interesting. and i agree with some of the info that you have. but i do thiink that santanmism can mislead people onto thinking that you are worshiping the devil. and no offense but i have nevrer heard of him so thank you for putting this up.

  10. Zaman says:

    Satan is created not creating. It’s means there is a greater power beyond satan.

  11. meli�a says:

    i agree with child like & raven.

    to me, this sounds completely unlogical & arrogant.

    the kind of person you are will determine where you end up after death. regardless if you’re religious or not.

    everyone’s entitled to their own religion belief & opinion.

  12. mrsjoejonas says:

    i was sort of offended aboutb this cuz i felt like u were critisizin god. i am christian an i do not mean 2 b judgemental but U NEED GOD. u need 2 get saved before it is to late and you go 2 hell.

  13. KC says:

    I apologize if i have offended you Mrs joejonas. Its not meant to offend anyone in anyway at all. I dont believe i need god. Infact i went through a couple years not believing in anything and i have been just fine. I just came across the laveyan word by accident and here i am. “to the satanist he is his own god. Satan is a symbol of man living as his prideful carnal nature dictates. The reality behind satan is simply the dark evolutionary force of entropy that permeates all of nature and provides the drive for survival and propagation inherent in all living things. Satan is not a conscious entity to be worshipped rather a reservoir of power inside each humane to be tapped at will. Thus any concept of sacrifice is rejected as a Christian aberration in Satanism theres no deity to which one can sacrifice” ~ peter gilmore

  14. Trudy says:

    If the whole idea about this religion is to make yourself your own personal god, then are you satan? If you are not satan why is this religion called satanism? I know there is a spiritual world so do you ever talk or communicate to spiritual beings?

  15. KC says:

    Read the quote above. No i dont try to communicate with spiritual beings. At least i havent really yet. I dont want to try and speak to spirits or ghosts etc. I mean im sure it would be interesting but not something i want to go looking for. I dont mind if they want to come to me and if i hear them speak or see them but i dont want to search for. Actually i posted a story about my house! Its called things go bump in the night in omemee in canada. Those types im cool with lol. I get rather creeped out with it really

  16. NimNod The She Goat. says:

    hmmm, this is facinating, good info, seems more like common sense though rather than satanism.

  17. Jonathan says:

    I would say the first few comments weren’t really an attack on your religion just the name. I did say it was pretentious because hte belief of not dealing with those inferior. (whos eto say who is inferior.) but what we did comment on was it being called satanism. I first heard of this well over 15 years ago. Its hard to clarify the word Satan. Reading about the etymology of the word it comes from many sources. The young christians on this site will make a 1 to 1 comparisson with the christian lucifer but all in all satan refers to an adversary or accusser. I would be curious as to your own thoughts as why you think it would be called Satanism (since you posted)

  18. Honeychurch says:

    So, I take it Satan is a Republican?

  19. Caretaker says:

    Austin12157 – If you would like to have your thoughts about this posted here then refrain from using foul language and insults. For what its worth though, I do agree with your thoughts.

  20. Karen M. says:

    Well I think that the author of the story saying that he/she was raised Roman Catholic, then they are thinking of satan in the christian lucifer form. I hate being a Bible thumper, so I’ll just say that it’s your desicion to worship who you want, but I would like to know if something happend, as to why you don’t follow God anymore?

  21. child like says:

    HEY HONEYCHURCH
    I LIKE WHAT YOU SAID IT SURE LOOK LIKE IT. I AGREE WITH YOU 100%
    KEEP IT REAL

  22. NimNod The She Goat. says:

    lmao @ honeychurch.

  23. KC says:

    Karen M

    I was raised Roman Catholic. I don’t see Satan in “lucifer” form, different form of religion there. I don’t really believe in God. I’m not too sure as to why I just don’t. I’m in the process of reading The Satanic Bible and very much agreeing with the philosophy. I’m not sure why I stopped believing in god etc. I wouldn’t say your a bible thumper either, you just have your beliefs :)

    Jonathan

    Like i said i’m in the process of reading the Satanic Bible, I’m 3/4 of the way through. Analyzing the whole way so I’ll definitely share why I believe its called Satanism once I’m done it:)

  24. KC says:

    However I will say, Satan is a entity within the Christian (or Catholic etc etc) Society. To Satanists….. Satan is not a real entity, conscious or a physical thing that can be interacted with. It is a symbol, something ethereal, something that basically doesn’t exist except as an emotional attachment and personal dream. God believers have a totally different opinion on what Satan is.

  25. Pinky says:

    .,_ouh GOD what happenin’ to you? You know what i want to hug you and remind you who you are and who gave life to you? Pls come back my dear child., Always remember that GOD is the way the truth and the life.,Read your bible.,

  26. Karen M. says:

    KC,

    OK, If satan isn’t real, then why are demons real? When you finish reading could you tell me why please? I’ve read alot of stories on this site pertaining to demons and people who have encountered them, saying satan doesn’t exsit but there are demons…………..well wouldn’t that be like saying that God doesn’t exsit but angels do?

    P.S. I�m a little confused on this theory!

  27. child like says:

    KAREN,

    I AGREE WITH YOU
    THERE HAS TO BE A BALANCE IN EARTH
    GOOD AND BAD
    GOD AND DEVIL
    GOOD AND EVIL
    IT DOES EXIST OR ELSE WHO WOULD OF NOT PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH DEMONS AND ANGELS.

  28. Manik says:

    I am confused too. Satan the name itself seems evil this philosophy is already followed by many people but they don’t call it satanism its their will. So there’s no evil of following these things unless it leads to evil lol. I don’t support u nor condemn u just saying . I will always prefer tit for tat, vengeance etc cause i like to give punishments myself to those who cast evil to me. Thank you.

  29. child like says:

    WHEN WILL THE EVIL STOP IF WE KEEP PUNISHING THOSE WHO PUNISH US
    IT WILL GO ON AND ON AND ON IN A CIRCLE WHO WILL BRAKE THE CIRCLE AND STOP THE EVIL SO THE GOOD CAN TAKE OVER? YOU, ME, SATAN, GOD, WHO ?

  30. anon says:

    i agree with this post. also karen m how do we know these are called demons? its simply a name society has given them. these “anomalies” or entities could really be anything not only servents of the christian satan.

  31. KC says:

    anonymous you took the word out of my mouth. karen m i will definetly keep you up to date lol once im done. and pinky….nothing has happened to me. im just not into “god as our savior”. thank you for your thoughts but all is well lol. and who gave me life was my parents….

  32. ChronicMidori says:

    This is the most interesting post I have read on this site, the comments are too lol. I do not believe in any organized religion or worship of any kind. I have always thought that Christianity was man made in an effort to control the masses. I do believe in spirit and such but my soul belongs to my self and I will be the one judging my life on my deathbed. I agreed with a lot of your post but I think its wiser for one to make their own set morals based on ones own judgment. However, I do like to hear as many different opinions as I can weather I agree or not in an effort to broaden my own perspective so to speak. Yours was very interesting considering I always visualized Satanism as a bunch of crazies chanting and sacrificing goats to some evil entity. I now know that is hollywood’s version and its actually a fairly reasonable set of values, thanks for sharing.

    child like- do you think by using all CAPS you are somehow speaking above the rest? Cause its only making it seem as if you are yelling your responses in a dictative sort of manner…

    Pinky- lol…lol you are so far from truth and life that you are blind….. Read the news papers, its more informative….

    Honeychruch- Why do people find it necessary to categorize things according to political parties? Honestly, both sides are a joke and only in place to cover peoples eyes from the real issues in society.

  33. child like says:

    CROMICMIDORI,

    I USE CAPS BECAUSE I CAN’T SEE WELL IN ONE EYE I AM BLIND SO IT’S HARDER FOR ME TO USE LOWER CAPS SORRY IF I OFFENED ANYONE SORRY I AM BLIND ON ONE EYE. I AM NOT BETTER THEN YOU AND YOU ARE NO BETTER THAN ME. WE ARE JUST HUMANS AND GRIND OF SAND. I WAS JUST GIVING OUT MY OPINION IF YOU DID NOT LIKE IT DON’T READ IT AND SKIP WHAT I SAY.

  34. child like says:

    i agree with you anon

  35. NimNod The She Goat. says:

    oKAY THEN THATS WHATS UP I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT PLUS YOU NEVER HAVE TO USE THE CAPS BUTTON NOW.

  36. wish upon a star says:

    hi, I can understand why you worship Satan, but i would like to know your perceptions on God? not so much as why you dont believe in him but what you think of him directly? to me satanism, is about self perception. While that is good to make us “stronger”, more defined and self aware and even practical, to me there doesnt seem to be any room for compassion love and forgiveness in times of need, hurt and sorrow. As this is something that everyone would go through at some point in their lives.

    • Caretaker says:

      wish upon a star – If you read this you will see that he plainly states that he DOES NOT worship Satan

  37. Karen M. says:

    ChronicMidori,

    Well you’re right in a certain degree, Christianity is kind of man made because it’s a good set of rules to live by…………i.e. THOU SHALL NOT KILL as well as the golden rule “do unto others as you’d have done unto you. So it’s not all that bad!

  38. chronicmidori says:

    child like- I was just wondering if you are trying to emphasize your point with the CAPS, obviously you do it for other, more logical reasons, my mistake. I never thought I was better than you or any being. True, I do not agree with most of what you have said, but that just makes us different. Thanks for pointing out my mistake, I don’t mind criticism, it helps one to grow and learn. However, I would like to point out my name is spelled ChronicMidori, not cromicmidori, and its ‘grain of sand’ not ‘grind of sand’. Can’t help but be a pessimist, its just the way I am… lol

    Karen M.- I actually believe that certain hierarchy’s in history used other religions stories combined with that of an inspiring individual, being Jesus, to create a false religion in oder to keep its citizens in fear of a higher power as a form of control. I believe there was such a person who had some great idea’s, but he is not the son of god nor do I believe he would approve of the religion created with his namesake.There is also much evidence backing this up, it’s just very hidden from the public. I’m not saying everything in the Bible is bad, just written by the hand of man, not your “god”. However, I do think there has been a lot of bad things that come from Christianity, like the Crusades, the burning of the libraries of Alexandria (twice!), countless other religions and cultures that have been erased from history and all the conversions the church has forced upon people. If Christians are going to take credit for the good their religion has created they must also take credit for the bad it has done as well. Most don’t, in fact they refuse to recognize these factors or claim it was ‘god’s will’. As a woman, I also resent the way women have been viewed as inferior because of the bibles teachings. Not to mention the way the bible has demonized goddesses and gods of other religions to where the word ‘god’ has lost its true meaning. It is a descriptive term used for things people worship, it is not the name of the creator. Considering people worship their tv’s more than anything else in existence (including Christians), I consider the television to be more of a god than that of Christians god. There was even a song written on that subject by Bad Religion, an awesome band comprised of college professors believe it or not. I do apologize for who ever I am going to offend by writing this, but I the truth should be celebrated, not condemned. ” Your GOD is dead, and one cares. If there is a Hell, I’ll see you there” Another awesome song written by Nine Inch Nails, its called ‘Heresy’, listen to it sometime….

  39. KC says:

    wish upon a star…….. i dont think really have a thought on god. to me i just feel the bible could have been anything. to me its just a book much like im sure the satanic bible is a book to you. im sure jesus lived but how do you know he did all these great things? because a book says? im not trying to offend im just saying.
    beautiful quote chronicmidori! i love nine inch nails. also i am a woman sorry i never really made that clear guys.

  40. chronicmidori says:

    Thanks KC NIN does rock, but I just realized i missed a word. the quote should be “Your GOD is dead, and NO one cares. If there is a Hell, I�ll see you there�. I’m sure most of you understood it anyways but it does change the meaning with out the ‘no’ in there… oops

  41. Anonymous says:

    Wow honestly this is a horrible religon. How can you act as satan would? I understand you do not worship satan but this is truly beastly. I find it horrible that anyone could live in such a way…. People like this will not be in gods light but in the flames of hell. May god find you people.

  42. NimNod The She Goat. says:

    hahaha, sounds kinda like wrath there buddy…as well than more than a little judgemental.
    Now i didnt say ever that I follow this, I just said that some of that sounds like common sense type things, things even a devout christian would do.
    Im not saying anyone should live like this.

  43. Zachary says:

    I’ll stick to Jesus thank you. I would rather sacrafice myself for those unworthy of it so that they may learn to be good as well rather than holeing myself up in my head.

    I disagree with you HoneyBee.

  44. ChronicMidori says:

    Zachary, uhhh wait, who’s HoneyBee? Did I miss a comment or did you mean HoneyChruch? I’m confused, or you are and I’m pretty sure its you…

    Fenwinkle, I read that article on Levey you found, it was interesting. What a character! Definitely gave me a new perspective on the religion, thanks for sharing.

  45. NimNod the She Goat.... says:

    LeVay was a nut, what little I read of his manifesto seemed to me he was into ancient egyption religions, not the devil, but hey you know , I am not really delving deep into the guy or his obsessions.

  46. Luis A.M. says:

    K.C. I am currently agnostic. Now I am truly interested in LaVeyan Satanism. Thnx for posting this article describing it all.

  47. forbidden_fruit says:

    hey, i wud like to comment on this….basically its following the “left hand path” totally the oppposite of GOD. an u must knw that wen anton lavey was on his death bead, he finally told the truth about how ppl thought they werent worshipping satan,but they were…an how he was greatly decieved by the devil..jus 2 let yall knw..an yes THERE IS A LIVING GOD! AN NO IM NOT RELIGIOUS I JUS BELIEVE AN I KW THERE IS GOD IN HEAVEN AN IF U THINK ITS BETTER TO REIGN IN HELL, HUN DNT BE FOOLED LIKE MILLIONS WHO THINK THAT! FIRE AN BRIMSTONE IS ALL THERE IS! I WILL PRAY IN JESUS NAME THAT U REPENT AN SEEK GOD IN UR HEART! AN FLEE FROM EVIL!

  48. forbidden_fruit says:

    AND NO, THE RULES OF SATANISM CAN NEVA BE COMPARED 2 THE 10 COMMANDMENTS….THE ONLY REASONS OF THESE RULES IS B0CUZ SATAN DESIRES TO BE GOD,BUT HE ISNT…SO BASICALLY HE NEEDS FOLLOWERS,HIS DECIEVERS 2 GIT SOULS 4 HIM AN TO WORSHIP HIM. OF COURSE IN THE PAST PPL WERE VIOLENTLY FORCED 2 CONVERT 2 CHRISTIANITY,BUT RELIGION IS BLASPHEMY…THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS IS THAT U HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WIT GOD-ALPHA AND OMEGA, AN U RESIST THE ENEMY AN FRM EVIL!

  49. ChronicMidori says:

    Ummm….. no it doesn’t work like that forbidden_fruit, actually by definition, you are exactly religious.

    The definition for religious is: having or showing belief in and reverence for a deity; “a religious man”; “religious attitude”

    I think that fits you yes? So how do you get off saying religion is blasphemy if you follow a religion?? You can’t believe in god and the devil or heaven and hell if you are not christian, those ARE christian beliefs……

    Am I the only one who ATTEMPTS to use correct English and spelling? It’s not about following the rules, its about communication!

  50. NimNod the She Goat.... says:

    Satan doesnt believe in education.

  51. KNOWTOMUCH says:

    K.C. very interesting post!!! i have known many who seem to live by those rules.!!!! i am glad you made it clear to me….. it all seems like an extreme EGO trip to me…. kind of like,, love thyself, and to h….. with everyone else?? it may work here on earth,, but,, the day will come, we will all die at some point,,, then what?? but,, i guess if people dont believe in God, they have nothing to worrry about…… just my opinion,,, ktm

  52. forbidden_fruit says:

    no , u are so confused….christianity is about having a relationship with GOD! AND SATANISM IS BASICALLY FOLLOWING LUCIFER/SATAN/THE FALLEN ANGEL! BELIEVE IT OR NOT! AND NO IM NOT RELIGIOUS,RELIGION IS WAT BOUNDS THE MIND! DNT GIT CONFUSED ON WAT GOD AND RELIGION IS…TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.. ….HEAVEN AND HELL ARENT CHRISTIAN BELIEFS….ITS THE TRUTH! EVERY1 KNWS THAT, THEY JUS DNT WANNA ACCEPT IT THATS ALL! GOD IS REAL, SO IS SATAN…BUT GOD IS MIGHTY AN MORE POWERFUL THAN SATAN! AND U ARE REALLY CONFUSED ABOUT GOD! I PRAY IN JESUS NAME THAT HE SET YOU FREE MENTALLY,SPIRITUALLY, AND THAT U REPENT AMEN! NO WEAPON FORMED AGAINST ME SHALL PROSPER!

  53. KNOWTOMUCH says:

    forbidden, who are you talking to?? wow, that made my eyes hurt!!!! ktm

  54. @NimNod Well that should make you Christians try harder at using correct English shouldn’t it? Not that that really had anything to do with my comment considering I’m not a Satanist…..

    @forbidden_fruit I guess you and me disagree on a few subjects… I never mentioned a weapon, why are you acting like you are getting attacked or something? Relax dude, caps don’t emphasize your point at all… It just looks obnoxious.

  55. KNOWTOMUCH says:

    did someone say, Heaven and Hell are not Christian beliefs???? from someone who knows nothing about religion??? Did i read that right??? Ouch,, my eyes are hurting again!!!! ktm

  56. CMF says:

    ChronicMidori- eye dint say u wer

  57. NimNod....The She Goat says:

    heaven and hell are not EXCLUSIVELY christian beliefs…

    Notice that LOTS of self help books seem to espouse these same patterns of thinking?

  58. ChronicMidori says:

    @ NimNod I thought about what I said previously, “Not that that really had anything to do with my comment considering I�m not a Satanist�..” And I realized that wasn’t accurate either considering Satanism doesn’t really worship Satan. So your comment was fairly misdirected no matter how you look at it… Ya just had to get that out because I realized I was incorrect, I have OCD in case you haven’t noticed…
    I haven’t read any self help books but your right that its not exclusively a christian concept. Hindu’s also have concepts of heaven and hell among other various religions, but I don’t think they call it ‘heaven’ and ‘hell’. However, heaven and hell ARE religious concepts.
    So I still consider you to be religious forbidden_fruit, because you worship and revere a deity and hold true to religious beliefs. Call it what you want but if the shoe fits you can’t argue the size.

    @ CMF “eye dint say u wer” What? I didn’t understand any of that…. Who are you and what are you saying?

  59. Anonymous says:

    TOChronicMidori WELL , I JUST HOPE U FIND GOD…I SAY EVERYTHING WIT PEACE AND LOVE! AN NO WEAPON FORMED AGAINST ME SHAL PROSPER IS A BIBLE VERSE….GIT TO KNW GOD’S WORD!

  60. Holy Hunter says:

    Yeah either way a satanist worships satan hands down. why argue about it?type “satanist” and I gurantee 99.9% of it will be about satan.

    and yes, many satanists do worship satan.

  61. KNOWTOMUCH says:

    i would think a satanist would worship satan, or why would they be called a satanist???

    just like a Christian would worship Christ…or why would they be called a Christian..??

    i think common sence plays into this, i am seeing a lot of word scrambling going on.

  62. Holy Hunter says:

    Now you know how I feel KTM, never will i listen to people talk religion over the net, let alone tell me how it is or is’nt. it’s all to confusing.

  63. KNOWTOMUCH says:

    yes, it can be very confusing,,,,

  64. NimNod the She Goat.... says:

    ChronicMidori – NO, YOUR comment was fairly misdirected no matter how you look at it�!!!
    “eye dint say u wer” sounds like the correct answer to me.

  65. KNOWTOMUCH says:

    i guess we all have opinions!!! but this is all very confusing!!! again i say….

  66. KC says:

    I’m enjoying reading everyones comments. It’s very interesting to see what everyone has to say on the fact.

    However to the thought on “Heaven and Hell are christian beliefs” its fairly true. Although I wouldn’t just say Christian I would say Catholic etc etc. Because they believe in Heaven and Hell as well but mostly God followers. That’s all. Not a big deal you believe what you believe!

    Forbidden Fruit….simmer down. I find it interesting that people say to me “You need to find God” or somewhat PUSH the beliefs on me. Really…I don’t push this on anyone. I discuss if it comes up but I don’t tell them what they need to do or how to do it.

    Really people believe what they believe. They follow what they will follow. Why judge?

    Holy Hunter: yes if you google that you’ll probably find a lot of worship of Satan…just read closely at what was posted and about this type. Theres many different types. Just like many different types of religions as well. No harm done.

    Thank you all for commenting

  67. chronicmidori says:

    Well said KC!

  68. NimNod... the She Goat.... says:

    Does anybody disagree that all these “Satanic Virtues” sound like most self help books published?
    Although self help books dont use the word “Lair” alot.

  69. Ichigo says:

    I’m just Christian. I don’t go to church but I think satanists are evil. No offence to anybody, that’s how I was raised. When I think of Satan/Satanists, it makes me think of black magic, the devil, and sacrifice. I have gone to church before and I just don’t like it because I tend to disagree without alot of things, but that doesn’t mean I don’t believe in God. I think that satanists are sometimes the root of a paranormal problem, because there’s more chance of there being a demonic haunting in wherever, then if a atheist lived there.

    (( I just chose atheist because they don’t believe in anything.))

  70. ChronicMidori says:

    Did everyone read the same story as me? How are you all still going on about satanists worshiping the devil and being evil? In the beginning of the story KC states how people think this when it not true but you ignore that.. She lays down the main structure of the religion which demonstrates worshiping ones self and not an outside entity. She even provided us with a quote better explaining her viewpoint on Satan in one of her comments ” �to the satanist he is his own god. Satan is a symbol of man living as his prideful carnal nature dictates. The reality behind satan is simply the dark evolutionary force of entropy that permeates all of nature and provides the drive for survival and propagation inherent in all living things. Satan is not a conscious entity to be worshipped rather a reservoir of power inside each humane to be tapped at will. Thus any concept of sacrifice is rejected as a Christian aberration in Satanism theres no deity to which one can sacrifice� ~ peter gilmore” and still you continue to claim satanists worship the devil. How many times have I heard her state she does not believe in god? Obviously she doesn’t believe in the christian religion or it’s version or Satan. How is it that you people still believe that she worships something she does not believe exists? Do you worship Santa Clause? When is it that you draw the line between your beliefs and logic? If you are so stuck in what you have been raised to believe when do you ever think for yourself and make your own conclusions not based on what you have been told? And why is it that you think that everyone else thinks like you do? Seriously, whats the point of having a brain or self if we were all the same and thought the same? I really don’t get how you think you have the right to tell us what we should believe or do. Can’t we just agree to disagree? It’s as if you can’t see reality through your beliefs and it’s really kind of dense.. Could you tell me where to get a pair of these ‘christian vision glasses’ ? I would love to see how they work, I could make millions using it on other applications…

    ‘Cheap vision glasses?? hows it work?’
    ‘Well that’s easy sir, just put them on and you see a great deal on everything no matter what the real price is!’
    ‘ Wow! that is cool but theses are really pricey glasses…’
    ‘put the glasses back on and look at the price again.’

    For whats its worth KC I found your article very interesting and learned a couple things along the way. I definitely have a different viewpoint on your chosen religion (and Christians too for that matter…) and I commend you for being able to take so much crap as nonchalantly and respectfully as you do, it’s truly a feat.

    Most likely this will be my last comment on this thread. I can’t let any more brain cells commit suicide trying to decipher some of the other comments being posted and like Holy Hunter said about the religious argument going ‘why argue about it?’, you people will think what you want no matter how much evidence is presented against you…

  71. KNOWTOMUCH says:

    Wow!!!! where did i ever get the idea that we all have the right to our own opinion!!! I guess it was all in a dream???

    Ok,, i have a question,, and i dont want to get my head bitten off…..Is it true that all of the movies and documentaries that i have seen are untrue???? They show people with black cloaks on worshipping something??? or, are they just talking into the air??? They have thier candles, and whatevers,, so,, what is that all about???

    Is there no such thing as a satan worshipper??? or devil, or lucifer, whatever you want to call it……

    As you will see in my other posts,, i said i was confused.. now, can anyone tell me what i am asking????? just curious!! thats all…. ktm

    • Caretaker says:

      If I may interject here, and I could be wrong, but to me I dont think “no such thing as a satan worshipper” was what was meant. Instead it was said that the so-called Satanists were not satan worshippers.

      I admit I dont know a lot about the subject, but I would guess that there ARE “devil worshippers” out there but the satanists are not among them. I also think that the choice of “title” for this practice, ie satanism, is a little strange and wonder this; If Satanism does not include the worship of “Satan” then why is it not called by some other name?

      • jennieboo22886 says:

        First off i feel silly for posting a comment to a story that was posted so long agao. noone will probably read this.Hopefully i wont sound judgmental or angry. I know the last thing someone wants to read is someone screaming at them that thier going to hell and blah dee blah.Dont feel bad ktm my husband use to go round and round about this very subject with me . when married to his first wife she was really into LaVeyan.she was also into wiccan. so honestly i dont know were she really stood.anyways my point was ok if they are not of satan they dont belive him ect then why WHY please someone tell me why the call themselves satanists. why not call yourselves “INDIVIDUALISTS” and another thing if satan has nothing to do with this at all why mention his name over and over and over for example The Nine Satanic Statements�
        * Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence!
        * Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams!
        * Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit!
        * Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it, instead of love wasted on ingrates!
        * Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek!
        * Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires!
        * Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his �divine spiritual and intellectual development,� has become the most vicious animal of all.
        * Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!
        * Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years! okey i dont think i need to tell ya all how many times his name is in that and how hypocritical it is. and yeah i know someone out there could tell me all the ways my religion of Christianity is hypocritical too.when its all said and done listen to your conscience. i believe and i know this sounds silly. that everyone on a subconcious level belives in God. maybe not necessarily by that name but in something that is big bigger than anyone could ever imagine.and if we are it and we should be are own gods then we are truly lost. and i dont want to continue liveing becuase what would be the freaking point. how dull and drab. we live we die and in the end there is nothing now thats truly truly depressing

  72. NimNod The She Goat. says:

    I actually am going to concur with KTM on this one believe it or not, in the fact I am curious about the imagry surrounding this stuff.
    Certainly there has to be some sort of denomination that is into all that stuff.
    5% islamists are on the same thing about you are your own god and whatnot.

    Alos yes why DO they call Sataninity if they dont worship the devil?

    btw you are all heritics for NOT ONCE worshiping the she goat so you WILL be destroyed accordingly, as is only proper.

  73. KNOWTOMUCH says:

    i have always heard that someone who worships satan, to be called a devil worshipper… i am still full of questions, as i really never understood the whole thing?? Maybe there is somone out there that could give us some info; from personal experience?? or, maybe i should just look it up on the computer!!!

    Its just something that always bugged me. When my daughter was in Middle school, i remember her saying to me about some kids,, oh,, they are devil worshippers!! i asked her to explain.. she said, well they worship the devil. I said, well, how do they do that. She said, i dont know ma-ma, they just do..

    So,, that question has been on my mind for a long time.. i guess i am off subject.. its all just a little confusing.. i guess i am missing the point somewhere!!!!

    I have reread the original post a few times, and i swear, it reminds me of people that i have known in my life.. very self absorbed….. selfish,,,, But, that would not mean they believe in the devil…

    oh well,,, the more i read, the more confusing it is….and really,, i dont like reading about satan, so what am i doing here??????? duh

  74. KNOWTOMUCH says:

    Hey Nim,,, what is btw???? I think i am starting to understand your sence of humor!! I mean, it is humor, isnt it???

  75. NimNod ...The She Goat. says:

    Btw = By The Way…

    Welcome, its a fun and scary place! muhahahaha!

  76. troj says:

    regardless what you thing of this puny le fey guy (he was a little man in hollywood), his practice is indeed evil. if we followed his lazy way of doing things, our civilization would fall apart. Thinking only of ourselves is a quick way to crash. He was a moron and actually told people in the end that he was used by satan. so follow his ways if you must, but I for one realize what a loser he was….and know he is in hell where he wanted to be…but not in power. Satan lovers are truly morons.

  77. strwrz says:

    its funny how ignorant the human mind can be. it fears things it does not understand. we fear the night because we do not know what is out there. ktm the depiction of satanism in movies and documentries are portrayed that way solely for the purpose of sales and entertainment, we would all rather watch something with blood and guts. you mentioned something about black robes being attributed to devil worshipping, isnt it ironic that a father in a catholic church also wears a black gown. we are always arguing about which religion is right and wrong, but we are all looking away from the bigger picture, life was given to us by a higher power, every religion believes this.

  78. NimNod... the She Goat.... says:

    troj– You ARE speaking to all the wallstreet fat cats too right? And the bankers?

  79. KNOWTOMUCH says:

    We would all rather watch something with blood and guts???? STR, is that what you said??? what does that have to do with this thread?? and no, i dont like blood and guts. I was just asking some questions, thats all….. I guess you dont know that the grim reaper, also wears a black robe…. but, i also guess that you have never seen him?? Tell us a little of your experiences on the paranormal?? i am very curious….

    I was just looking for some info:: thats all…..

    What is satanism?? does anyone know??

    And i did state that i didnt want to get my head bitten off for asking!!!

  80. KNOWTOMUCH says:

    CT, you are right about satanists. They actually worship themselves, they hold themselves in high regard and as gods. they are thier own god… so, what was said in the original post was true. there is a lot more to it.. but thats the simple version…

  81. NimNod... the She Goat.... says:

    Woo Hoo! Blood and Guts!!

    We fear the unknown , we kill what we fear, we eat what we kill, we are what we eat!

    SHE GOAT!

  82. strwrz says:

    ktm u commented on the fact that in movies and documentries they depict people in black robes and praying to something…. this is because im sure the directors are just trying to depict what he/she would think what the audience would like and is not always 100% true and the fact that the grim reaper’s robe is black is not lost on me, maybe its because black is slimming. ps in no way am i having a go at u or trying to bite ur head off (never was a fan of ozzy ozborne) just having a personal opinion and to all that think im a satanist im not im a buddhist. satanist believe that they themselves are a god but did not god create us in his own image so technically we are gods. i would love to tell u all about my experiences but im on the ipod and its a female dog to type
    gods. i would love to t

  83. strwrz says:

    nimnod-hahhahahahaa, loving ur posts.
    well ktm u asked for a story and here it is (made the 3m hike to the computer for this please be grateful)

    //www.trueghosttales.com/paranormal/paranormal-experiences-in-vietnam/

  84. Marissa says:

    Okay, so I’m 15, and I grew up raised as a Christain. Just, I never really found “myself” in God. I do believe that there is a “God” and maybe more than one. I’m taking Latin at my high school and we just got off the subject Mythology. I have a very open mind, and take new things as a sorta learning experience. I’m just not sure what to do anymore. While I was reading this, I realized that I was smiling, and nodding my head. (For me, that’s basically agreeing with you.) But I kept telling myself that I have to believe in God. I think my family would kill me, ‘specally my Nana, if I told her if I didn’t believe in God. I guess you could say, that I’m scared.

    But for your comments, I think I agreed with everything that, “ChronicMidori” said.

  85. ChronicMidori says:

    :) That’s inspiration enough for me to comment again! Happy to know someone agrees with me, lol! I must say, for a 15 year old you sound very intelligent. It’s a wonderful thing to have an open mind, it will bring you much prosperity (I don’t mean financially in particular) and joy as well as arguments and frustration.

    If you aren’t ready to face your family then don’t till you are ready, you are still young and have plenty of time to do that. It’s fine to continue practicing Christianity as well, just maintain your open mind and truly consider it’s teaching from every angle, good and bad. My advice to you would be to start doing your own private research on all the religions out there including Christianity. That way you can get a well rounded perspective and understanding of religion in general to make a good decision as to which one you want to follow, if any at all, when it comes to that time. That way if anyone tries to argue with you about it, including your family, then you well have multiple reasons and sound arguments as to why you believe what you believe. Seriously, just type in keywords into google and you will get plenty of results, there are also many good books to read and people to talk to for your research. I would start with the internet, it’s the most wide and diverse information you can find in one place.

    I learned of a religion the other day I had never heard of, it’s called Pantheism. There are many versions of Pantheism but the main concept is the belief that ‘God’ and the Universe are one in the same! No individual ‘creator’ sitting in clouds judging his failed creations, but the Universe as a sentient force connected to everything. Panthism is the belief that the Universe is the only thing worth worshiping. Isn’t that interesting? I thought it was, in fact I think that is the closest religion my beliefs relate to, yet I do not believe in worshiping anything. I believe in the essence of life and spirit and that we are all connected as one. In that sense, what affects one of us, has an effect on all of us as a whole even if in small inconceivable ways. That’s why it makes me angry to see people so stuck on one concept! We are as strong and as smart as our weakest link, to reach the next plain of consciousness it will take everyone to move towards it. We each need to achieve our own inner harmony to create a universal symphony. Oops, I’m getting carried away again! Anyways, Pantheism, research it because it’s interesting. Some other interesting religions I found are Paganism, Taoism( otherwise known as Doaism), Buddhism and Wicca. Hope this helps you in your journey, wow that sounds corny huh? lol! I mean stay educated, it’s the only thing that cannot be taken away from you.

  86. independent says:

    the blind can not lead eachother…..sooooooo much confusion! much wisdom is needed for sum of u

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