Can a Christian do Wiccan Magic and still be a Christian?

I have a question.

Can a Christian do Wiccan magic and still be a Christian?

Please don�t be rude to me because I�m Christian. Every witch I asked this question was rude to me just because am Christian. I was never rude to Wiccans pagans etc. and I never will be.

I just want to do magic because I like it and I wouldn�t make any harm to anyone with my magic.

Asked by Stella

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  1. I think that you should do what you want to do and I also think that due to Wicca being white magic and is from the earth that you could still be a christian and the Lord would not look down on you at all. Wicca and Pagans are said to be guardians of the earth and protect others and so on so it is up to you if you practice magic and feel like you should stop or if the lord told you not to then listen to him but do what you feel comfortable with

  2. Hi Stella,

    The only rule to being a ‘Christian’ is to believe in Jesus Christ. The rest is a religion created around a lot of other information, some of it true and some of it invented.

    Before anyone jumps down my throat, I studied Theology at St Marks Anglican College, Charles Sturt University in Canberra and I’m a Christian.

    Back to the question: Stella, if you want to practise Wicca, which is honouring nature and the Earth, as well as believe in the Christ energy … I don’t think Jesus will get angry. He also honoured the Earth, and God .. and God is Everything .. which means God is also Wicca.

    Now, where the spells are concerned. Watch your ‘intent’. Remember the rule. “If it harm none …” Think about each spell carefully. If it interferes with another person’s free will, and love spells is a good example .. it messes with the receivers free will, then don’t do it. The negative karma you will gather to yourself is not good. Use commonsense.

    As for rabid Wiccans and Christians, and Muslims and whomever else .. they seem to have lost the plot. The new ‘rule’ Jesus gave us was ‘Love one another as I have loved you’. What happened to that?

    Love & Light

    • Excuse me Ama, but you are incorrect. Wiccans DO NOT follow Jesus Christ. Being a Christian is NOT just a title. You wear it as one, but this IS NOT what Jesus wants or sees as a Christian.
      Christ said, “Pick up your cross and follow me.” This means everything to Christians and nothing to the Lost. Our cross can be anything and to truly pick up your cross, you must sacrifice E.V.E.R.Y.T.H.I.N.G. Being a Christian is a LIFESTYLE. Being a true Christian means that you have a relationship with Jesus Christ.

      I’ve read your comment and I do not care from where you studied. You may voice your opinion, but DO NOT tell others who you think God and Jesus Christ are. You, clearly, have no relationship with Him. To tell others that Jesus Christ is a Wiccan… Oh my word!!! Who are you to deceive and spread lies? Jesus said, “I am the Way, the TRUTH, and the Life.” He also said that He is God. He also said that one cannot have two masters and… correct me if I am wrong, but WICCANS serve the Earth. Jesus IS NOT the earth thus, JESUS IS NOT WICCAN.
      Who so you think you are to tell people a lie such as this. And yes, whomever looks and dis/approves this message, I have a right to post this!

      Jesus said, “Love one another as I have loved you.” I am loving you. I am sharpeneing your stone, Ama. Read the Word of the Living God. NO YOU CANNOT BE A SATANIST/WICCAN AND A CHRISTIAN AT THE SAME TIME! We are not supposed to co-exist with demons or sins. Whatever happened to that commandment, “You MAY NOT have any other gods before me!” How DARE you, Ama? Have you not read and understood?!

      Jesus said that no one comes to the Father, except through Him. Wiccans believe that in order to get to their “heaven,” they must serve the earth and yada…. NO! There is ONE way to God and Heaven..

      In the old days, the Isreal people would drag witches and wizards out of the city gates and kill them (Scripture [Old Testament]: Thou shalt not suffer a sorceress to live). In the Word it also says, “There shall not be found among you anyone who… uses divination or is a soothsayer or an augur or a sorcerer, | or a charmer, or a medium or a wizard or a necromancer.. [Old Testament]‘

      Before you quote Scripture, look it up. Loving DOES NOT mean co-existing.

      • This person is correct Anna I hate to say it but I cant figure out what religion you are but to be a christian means to be Christ like and you have so many beliefs that are against the word of God that I have had several people look at your comments and they even wonder what type of professor have you sat under.Scriptures are very clear about being blinded.The word of God over rules our opinens and thoughts.

        • Hi Tim,

          My professors taught us to have an open mind, and not just take everything in the bible as FACT, bless them. And no, they didn’t teach me everything I talk about, they taught me about Christianity .. from the point of view that the foundations are good, and everything written is only probable. I wish I was more Christ like, loving, kind, compassionate, thoughtful, Godfilled, and .. funnily enough he had a temper too. :-)

          The first thing our head lecturer said to us was “The study of Theology will either make or break your faith,” and he was right. I am very grateful that my faith in God and Jesus Christ is not based in Bible as ‘the absolute accurate word of God”. The contradictions would have killed it.

          Love & Peace

      • Hello Texture, I can be blunt too.

        Hmm.. I don’t remember saying that Jesus was Wiccan? I said ‘God is everything’ and therefore Wiccan .. since all belief systems begin and end in the Creator being, as does everything else on this planet, including the devil, and God hasn’t killed any wiccans yet. Yes, the early Jewish people did haul witches, sorcerers (and sorceresses) and warlocks, and others of that ilk, out and burn them, but then, once Christianity was established, the Christians also pulled out members of their own churches .. who disagreed with the common beliefs at the time (which later changed) .. and burned them too. But you can yell as much as you like, and I agree you have the right to voice your opinion.

        I have a question for you .. the same I ask for all fundamentalist Christians. What are you doing on a paranormal site, where people come seeking help with problems that the church either can’t, or worse, won’t, help them with? The other question, which always annoys me, is why are you not using your real name, but hiding behind a pseudonym? Oh I know its great protection, but why go into a situation where you think you need to not let anyone know who you actually are?

        In the meantime, I know plenty of good Christians who honour the earth, and plenty of wiccans who believe in Jesus Christ and follow his teachings – while honouring the Goddess and the earth. That this does not agree with what you believe .. I’m sorry; and in your opinion that makes me wrong .. fair enough. As Social_D said so politely, on another answer site, you have your opinions and I have mine. And you have your experiences with God, and I have plenty of mine. But I not judging your relationship with God and nor should you decide what mine is.

        One thing I do notice about Good Christians is that they are very good at judgment, fear, anger and hatred .. funny how the Wiccans are all about love, trust, faith and their truth, in its various forms.

        When you live fearing God, you live in fear. When you live loving and honouring a Creator being who loves us all unconditionally, fear has a habit of going out the window.

        And I have no idea which stone you are talking about, although it might be my gravestone. I should tell you, I intend to be cremated and scattered under some rose bushes.

        Love & Peace

        • Ama many people who claim Christianity have slaughtered millions. But Jesus said you will know a person by their fruits, and if there fruits are murder, rape, lying, torture etc then they are NOT Christians. Jesus said to be aware of false prophets..

          Matthew 7:15-16 – Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

          True Christians do not kill or burn witches. Please do not get the Old Testament and New Testament confused. Christians do not live under the law. Jesus nor his disciples NEVER killed anyone who rejected his message or practiced witchcraft. Jesus stated that we are to love our enemies. Those who kill are of Satan.

          Matthew 5:44 – But I say unto you, Love your eemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
          Seeing that you ask all Christians why are they on a paranormal site. My answer to you is that God created the SUPERNATURAL or SPIRIT REALM. My God created heaven and earth and he is NOT HUMAN. God is a spirit.

          John 4:24 – God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

          My Lord�s right hand can span the entire earth. This should give you an idea that God of the size of God, if his right hand can span the heavens of earth.

          Isaiah 48:12-13 – Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last. Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together.

          TrueGhostTales deals with the spirit realm and God created all the demonic spirits that make up the paranormal realm. In addition to this God has given all true Christians authority over every demonic spirit through Jesus Christ.

          Luke 10:20 – Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.

          If you ever read the bible it is a SUPERNATURAL BOOK there are chariots of fire, talking donkeys, angels that have 4 faces, evil spirits resembling frogs, Satan is a giant 7 headed serpent, even teleporting is mentioned in the bible, Holy angels that destroyed entire armies, God parted Red Sea and the sun refusing to set. These were all done through supernatural means.

          And the reason why many people do not get delivered from demonic attacks and affliction is because they lack faith. This goes for the Churches and people who are under demonic attack.

          I should add that there is no such thing as a GOOD CHRISTIAN. Jesus said only God is good.

          LUKE 18:19 – And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.

          Once again Wiccan was a religion created by men who hated God. Gardner and Crowley both denied Jesus and proved it by worshipping the creation rather than the creator.

          Reference to this��One thing I do notice about Good Christians is that they are very good at judgment, fear, anger and hatred ..

          If you have experienced fear, judgment, anger and hatred from people calling themselves Christians then that is sad. There are MANY false Christians and prophets out there PRETENDING to be Christians. The bible is clear the fruits of the Holy Spirit are as follows:-

          GALATION 5:22-23 – But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

          Reference to Wiccan fruits, here is what an occultist had to say about Wiccan.

          “Nudism, bondage, open air sex and flagellation, all personal weaknesses of Gardner, became prominent Wiccan rites.” Occultist Gavin Baddeley

          I will add that the fear of God is the beginning wisdom. I fear God and it is a godly fear that causes me to do right and continually seek my Savior�s face.

          Proverbs 9:10 – The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding

          Psalm 111:10 – The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.

          • Hello K Smith,

            Funnily enough, I do not have the Old Testament and the New Testament confused. And yes, I have read both of them, and often, given that I am drawn to God and Jesus Christ, and ALL the books that were written about them in the first few hundred years. I wish I had more time to read. People’s interpretations of the bible are as fascinating, and sometimes puzzling, as the accepted book itself.

            People who ‘believed’ themselves to be ‘true’ Christians, doing God’s work .. burned people, raped and tortured them. I agree they will have to sort it out in heaven, and apologise to those they harmed. Hopefully the victims will be more loving that their captors.

            Your answer about why you are on a paranormal site, is not an answer. Just because God created the supernatural and the spirit realm doesn’t mean you should play in it. According to the bible you are supposed to stay away from places like these. Or are you a missionary, defying damnation to ‘save’ us all .. because right now, I am already SAVED, and have been all my life .. and yet, God sent me among the ‘lost’ to help them find peace and healing (so you and I are not so different) .. and I try to ‘live’ by example, but not by jamming the Bible down their throats. The comment about knowing a person ‘by their works’ applies here. God knows my heart, and my love and my loyality .. and my trust, and my faith and everything about me. My favourite Psalm is 139 up to verse 18, where it changes tone completely, and in my opinion was another ‘add-on’ to the multitudes of changes made in the bible.

            I wish I could have sat at Jesus’ feet and listened, with the 72 who were constantly around him. They would have learned so much that is not in the book we currently call the Christian Bible. He spoke of the love of God in the hearts of all of us, not just in those that ‘followed’ him, the way they would have. He sought that love from us, he expected to find it, and he found what he was looking for. Decades later, when the gospels were actually written, people would have probably struggled to explain, or describe, the impact Jesus has on our lives, and still has, even today, thousands of years since He came among us.

            Otherwise, thank you for all the quotes. Very appropriate. I think the story of Judas is fascinating. I also believe he’s in heaven. He was instrumental in the process of Jesus being crucified on the cross. If he had not done his ‘job’, which Jesus sent him to do .. Jesus might not have died, and we might not be free. People should consider that before judging him so harshly. What a burden for a man to bear .. and he couldn’t bear it, according to the bible, but killed himself (twice damned to hell?). Do you really think God hates him for doing what was so desperately needed to be done? I don’t. I think he did what he was called to do, with profound courage, and I have grieved for him, as anyone with a loving heart should.

            As to the Wiccan beliefs, that’s between them and their God, or Gods. And I will say again, that everything on this world that is connected with humans, which means the earth itself because our bodies are made of the same components as the earth, is ‘of God’. God in Heaven, Jesus’ God .. Abba. Jesus made it that way again. That some people practise what you don’t like .. sorry .. and I am not one of them. What I do is try be a loving, kind person, who trusts an unconditionally loving God. How can a person fear someone who loves us like that? That I think the Bible is an interesting book, full of wisdom, and people’s opinons .. is my right – just as yours is to infer I won’t go to heaven. Well, I’ve been there, mate. And come back with the memories. I know I’m an odd soul (also an ancient one), and there are plenty more like me. And some of us Love and follow God .. the new Testament one, not the old Testament one, and some of us choose to walk other paths .. sometimes I think its because the Christians are so rabid in thinking that their (my) way of believing is the ONLY way to God, but its all the same God. There’s only ‘one’ God. It is EVERYTHING.

            Maybe I am just simply too literal? ‘Everything’ means ‘everything’ to me. It doesn’t mean ‘divided in separate parts’. Oh, hang on, isn’t that what each person is .. a separate part of God? I wonder why God allowed separation of ‘him’ (it)? Was it because God created us to learn and grow? Is that why God created the devil? I don’t think God does things by accident?

            Love & Peace

        • Amen, Amen & Amen Ama..
          I am and have always been a Christian..
          I also am a card reader, an intercessor & I have a Blessed Candle
          Ministry, All honoring my Lord & Savior Jesus Christ. My husband
          fights me tooth & nail over this, but you know what? I can’t put God
          in this box, and say He can’t do this that or the other.. because He
          can and does.. for me, my family & my clients.. just my 2 cents..
          thanx for listening…

          • Hello Johnnicatt,

            Nice to meet another of us who play outside the box. :-)

            What is a Blessed Candle Ministry?

            Love & Peace

      • You have a right to post this, just as Ama has a right to post what she wrote. Thumping everyone on the forehead with your Bible isn’t going to miraculously bend us all to your way of thinking, Texture. That’s just not the way faith works.

        I myself, do not believe in a God that will punish me for thinking for myself. If you do, that’s your prerogative….I wouldn’t want to live like that but, to each his own. I will however venture to say that your judgment of others isn’t exactly “Christian”. I would put down the stones if I were you…I’m pretty sure your God looks down on that type of behavior.

        • Hi Diana,

          I think it really depends on which God a person follows. The old testament one was very much into violence and stone throwing .. the new testament one, through JC, talked about ‘turning the other cheek’ and removing the ‘log’ from our own eyes before we try to remove the ‘speck’ (Matt 7:5) from someone else’s. (One interpretation of that could be ‘don’t make personal comments’).

          No wonder people get confused.

          Love & Peace
          Ama :-)

          • That’s just sad to me….but, even sadder is Texture being so quick to condemn others who don’t strictly adhere to her belief system. I don’t judge people based on their religious or spiritual beliefs. Faith is such a personal thing we all have within our hearts…and to throw stones because others believe differently is incredibly hypocritical and in my opinion an attempt to rationalize hating others. I would much rather love my fellow man than hate them just because they aren’t bending to my way of thinking.

            But that’s me…the world is made up of all kinds of people…and unfortunately not all of them are tolerant to that fact. To me, that is one of the major pitfalls of organized religion…people get to thinking that their beliefs are right and anything that even slightly contradicts said beliefs are automatically wrong and evil. It’s nonsensical. I like to look at my faith as a comfort, it’s always there for me, and it makes me feel like I’m part of something bigger than myself. It shouldn’t be something I throw in the faces of others to incite fear and anger. But as I said before, to each his own …one thing I can say is you will never find me shoving my personal beliefs down another persons throat…it’s not my job to make them believe or not believe.

          • I think your way of viewing the world is lovely, Diana.

            You know, I really couldn’t work out the ‘stone’ thing, but my mother said it, and I said no? I went hunting in the bible for ‘sharpening’ and only found Psalm 140? Never considered having rocks thrown at me. LOL I always look for the best in people, even if we have to agree to differ in our opinions. Oh well, fear can make us do foolish things.

            Luna, . It’s my own fault. I said to someone else, on another answer site, that I could dish it out, and I could take it. Helps me keep my ego in check. :-)

            Love & Peace

          • Luna, my comment to you came with a HUG! But the brackets I used around it made it vanish .. LOL

            Love & Peace

          • Ama, thanks for the “hug”!! Here’s one back at ya!! “HUG” LOL!!! I appreciate it!! :D

          • I must admit Ama that your words are stout against God. The God of the Old Testament whom you call violent is not only a loving and fair God. He is just and has NO pleasure in the death of the wicked.

            God speaking���. �Your words have been stout against me, saith the Lord. Malachi 3:13

            God speaking�..As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel? Ezekiel 33:11

            The bible states that the wages of sin is death. Yet, men still provoke to God to anger by worshipping demonic spirits whom they call Pan, Diana, Artemis, Zeus, Odin, Loki, Mercury, Baal, Chiun, Molech, Chemosh and Ashatroth. If you choose to worship the creation rather than the Creator then you are looking for trouble.

            Romans 6:23 – For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

            Therefore, if a man sin and refuses to repent, God will judge him and reward him according to his works.

            Ecclesiastes 3:17 – I said in mine heart, God shall judge the righteous and the wicked: for there is a time there for every purpose and for every work.

            Galatians 6:7 – Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

            I will end by saying that the God of the Old Testament and Jesus of the New Testament are ONE and the SAME.

            JOHN 10:30 � 31 – I and my Father are one. Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?

            Doubting Thomas called Jesus My Lord and my God. Even though God and Jesus are separate persons. The bible teaches that Jesus is still God manifested in the flesh and God created ALL things through Jesus Christ

            I TIMOTHTY 3:16 � And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of the angels, preached unto the gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
            God, the Father calls Jesus, God and Lord in Hebrews showing that JESUS is worthy of worship, glory and honor.

            HEBREWS 1:8 – But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the scepter of thy kingdom.

        • Absolutely, Diana!!! People are going to follow their own beliefs, and I, myself, respect everyone for their beliefs. I feel, that it doesn’t matter how you find God, just as long as you do. And, yes, Diana, Faith is such a personal thing and different for everyone. In order to love thy neighbor(as it is said in the Bible,) I feel we need to respect all our differences and accept that no one is perfect. We are not the one’s to pass judgement on anyone. What I may believe is wrong, may not be so for someone else. What I may believe is true, may not be true for someone else. For me to love my fellow man, means that I need to accept him or her for who they are reguardless of whether or not I agree with their beliefs or way of thinking.

        • Hello again K. Smith,

          Great thoughts .. here are mine.

          I love bible quotes. I have the NOAB bible, 2001, which includes the Apocrypha. It was, when I studied Theology, the most accurate translation from Hebrew and Greek etc, available in Australia at the time.

          I couldn’t quote Malachi off the top of my head, so I opened my bible and checked …

          “You have spoke “harsh” words against me, says the Lord. Yet you say “How have we spoken against you?” Was I harsh, I only stated ‘facts’ from the bible?

          Not sure where you got the ‘stout’ word from, and I thought it just meant ‘fat’, so I looked it up too …

          1. bulky in figure, corpulent, thickset, fat
          2. bold, brave, or dauntless
          3. firm, stubborn, resolute
          4. forceful, vigorous
          5. strong of body, hearty, sturdy.

          I like the thought of being bold, brave and dauntless. LOL From memory stout is also supposed to be a good beer? LOL

          If you have been reading anything I said, and you probably have by now because I go looking for interesting people too, you will know that I think the rules changed with the coming of Jesus Christ and his crucifxion. The wages of sin might be death, but I don’t actually see an empty world, and as we are ALL sinners, I have to wonder why we are suddenly not dead? Paul was very intense, and supposedly a great orator. I think I’m grateful his ‘facts’ (opinions) didn’t follow that statement, or none of us would be alive today.

          And if God can be provoked, how come he doesn’t actually do anything about our misbehaving? Or does he simply see us as children playing with toys as we express ourselves through All of His creations?

          And no, the God of the old Testament is not Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ was a man. God is God. The Christ energy was ‘of God’, but when they took down Jesus’ wounded body from the cross .. he was a man. And it was possible he wasn’t even dead. He only hung on the cross for only three hours, and still ‘bled’ blood and fluids. A dead body doesn’t do that, according to some medical professionals that I know. And Jesus didn’t become deified until about 100 years after the first books of the bible were written. Before you get me wrong, I truly believe he died on the cross, but .. God being God .. he doesnt’ punish anyone .. so maybe Jesus was allowed to continue his life .. but that’s a whole different set of thoughts, and I don’t want to start a war here.

          Walking softly,
          Love & Peace

      • Wow, Texture! Hummm???….. Yes you have a right to post your opinion, but I do believe it is not allowed on this site to post offensive comments. I found that quite offensive. Why, might you ask? Ama is sharing her beliefs; many people are here sharing there beliefs, but, even the other fundamentalists who have frequented this site, have not come straight out and blatantly attacked another poster for their beliefs no matter how much the disagree. Also, didn’t it state in the Bible that Christ said, “He who is without sin, shall cast the first stone?” Am I to believe that you are an all perfect being who is free from all sin??!! The last I checked, there was only one being like that and it was not you!!! So maybe you need to follow Diana’s advice and put the stones down before you hurt yourself!

        • My dad always used to say that people who attack others’ beliefs are generally not secure in their own. If they were they wouldn’t feel the need to put up such a fight. They would look inward with the certainty that their faith was cemented in their hearts and move on. That seems like it may be the case here. I don’t think any amount of reasoning is going to change what Texture feels towards any of us, and you know, I’m fine with that. I know who I am, where I came from, and where I’m going. I don’t need to degrade others to feel whole. I already do. I hope that someday, Texture will know what that completeness feels like. Until then, I’m confident I have the tools to peacefully coexist with the many different people around me, and I’m perfectly happy to do just that ;)

          • Luna and Diana, thank you for being two voices of reason on this site. I do feel partly responsible for creating the trouble, but I am not going to go away either. I understand where Texture is coming from, given that I am just as intense about my ‘belief system’ and IT (we still dont’ know for sure whether its a lady or aman) is, and have had similar conversations with true believers over all the years I’ve been on the net, on lists there were not moderated.

            What really worries me, and I’m writing it here for Caretaker particularly, is that people like this will gather in groups, on groups like ours with the intention of wrecking it. And more timid true believers will use this altercation as an opportunity to throw in a few remarks of their own. They will, if given the chance, attack each person individually until they leave. To that end I am very grateful to CT for his moderating, because he’s trying to allow everyone their free speech .. something I truly agree with … but he’ll also keep us safe from the truly nasty stuff.

            Wishing you all a lovely rest of the day. It’s sunday morning, still dark, and raining ..again!

            Love & Peace

          • Thanks Ama, it really isnt an easy task to moderate something like this. I try to use the best judgement that I can but I am human :)

          • What, CT, no angelic tap on the shoulder to tell you to ‘delete that paragraph’? LOL :-)

            I stand corrected .. or in this case, sit. If my guides/teachers/angels (depends on how you think of them) do not like something I am writing, or even thinking, sometimes .. I get the message “Ama, give it to God” .. and I love them for it.

            Love & Peace

    • Ama you stated that the only rule to being a �Christian� is to believe in Jesus Christ. I disagree with you on that because Satan and his demonic host believe in Jesus and are NOT Christians. Jesus disciple Judas Iscariot believed in him and betrayed him unto death. Therefore, as we can see believing in Jesus is not enough. The bible is clear when it says that not everyone who calls Lord, Lord will enter heaven.

      MATTHEW 7:21 – Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

      I should add that studying theology at a school does not make a person a Christian. Jesus disciples were uneducated fishermen etc. True wisdom, knowledge and understanding comes God and if any Christian lacks these things they can ask God in Jesus name for them.

      James 1:5 – If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

      Wiccan is the worship the gods Pan, Diana, Cernunnos, The Great Mother or Holy Mother Earth etc. This religion is a pagan earth based religion and antichrist. The bible clearly states that only God is worthy to receive honor, power and glory not the things he created. The worship of other gods is prohibited in Christianity.

      Exodus 20:3-5 – Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

      You stated that �God is Everything .. which means God is also Wicca.� I should add that God is NOT Wicca because I once read that fifty percent of modern Wicca is an invention bought and paid for by Gerald B. Gardner from Aleister Crowley. This same Aleister Crowley who once stated that he wanted to be Satan�s chief of Staff.

      I simply went over to Satan�s side and I do not know why.� I was not content to just believe in Satan, I wanted to be his chief of staff�. Aleister Crowley, British occultist

      Wiccans also use the same Satanic pentagram that is used by the Church of Satan. Ex- Wiccan high priest and Magus William Schnoebelen who was initiated into Alexandrian Wicca and in the rank of The Drudic Craft of the Wise acknowledged that when he became a Wiccan high priests, the Inverted Pentagram was traced on his body in oil, wine and kisses.

      Jesus did tell us RABID Christians to love one another. He also stated that no man can serve TWO MASTERS.

      MATTHEW 6:24 – No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

      I will end by saying that the bible states Christians are NOT to get involve in witchcraft, sorcery and magic. These things are an abomination to God.

      DEUTERONOMY18:9 When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.10There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,11Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. 2 For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.

      • Lucky last .. or, K. Smith, are you another believer (not including me) who thinks that Luck was a Babylonian God who we ‘invoke’ when we wish someone luck? Hmm … LOL

        Ignoring that completely .. I did a search for the meaning of ‘being Christian’. Thank you Wikipedia, I agree demons are not Christian, being ‘not good’.

        My comment about Judas should have gone here, but I read all three messages before I began to answer them, and who Judas was, and what he did, was one of the indepth discussions I had with the Anglican Minister who trained me before my Confirmation (changing from Methodist to Anglican) at the age of 29. Since I already ‘knew’ what he was supposed to teach me over the 10 sessions, we had 10 deep and meaningful two hour discussions on God, the bible, history, missionaries .. and many other Christina related topics. As I said somewhere else, he fostered my love for God and Jesus Christ, and tolerated my differences. Funnily enough, he had to ask the Bishop if I could be confirmed Anglican although I refused to give up my belief in reincarnation. That prompted the Bishop, without permission, to pray the Exorcism rites over my head the night before my Confirmation. He seemed very disappointed when I didn’t start writhing on the ground, or speaking in tongues, or whatever .. turned out I am not possessed. I got a laugh out of it, but my poor Minister was truly embarrassed!

        Back to your comment:

        I think its so strange that its not enough to simply believe in Jesus Christ as God’s representative on earth when you think how powerful that is! Obviously I didn’t explain myself well enough .. to me it includes trying to live by the rules, the ones that Jesus said ‘love God’, and ‘love one another’. From that all good things flow.

        I agree studying Theology might not make a person a Christian. In fact, our head lecturer said ‘the study of theology will either make or break your faith’. Good man! Theology is the study of the Christian Bible, among many other things related to that subject. It has nothing to do with faith. You either believe, or you don’t. That has to be up to each individual. But one has to wonder why someone would bother wasting three solid, full-on, years, studying the subject if one wasn’t a Christian?

        And yes, K. Smith, I ‘call on’ God and Jesus often. I constantly ask for help with everything I am doing, and saying (or writing).

        What living people do with the title ‘wicca’ is up to them, and not all of them follow the villains. I know their names too. I don’t remember Crowley as a wiccan, though I think he might have started that way. I have not researched him. As far as I’m aware he was a Satanist. That is Nothing like a Wiccan. And while the wiccan symbol (a star) is point down in Satanism, its point up (being literal again) in Wicca. That makes it the REVERSE of the negativity. The opposite of negative is positive, by scientific laws, also God’s laws (demons/angels) if I remember correctly … and no, I didn’t look in the bible for that one.

        Not all Christians are rabid. I know some truly beautiful souls (which I have written before) who practise what they believe, and are a living example of Jesus’ love on earth. I am grateful to know them .. and then there some others. The ones who demand we do things ‘only their way’ or we are going to hell ….. so, sorry if I offended you but I was NOT speaking to YOU personally at the time .. so why do you take offense? You may be one of the truly Light folk. :-)

        I also don’t agree with spellcasting. I think it messes too much with people’s karma. But I do agree we should honour and look after the Earth. Our lack of respect for it is destroying the only home we have. I wonder why THAT wasn’t mentioned in the bible? Doesn’t God care about the planet? He gave humanity ‘dominion’ over it, and all the plants and animals .. I guess he meant us to protect it? But why wasn’t he more specifically? Sadly, that too, is open to misinterpretation.

        Love & Peace

        • Hi Ama


          I believe that Judas was sent by God, used as a pawn in the chess game being played at the time, specifically for one job; being, grassing Jesus up. After all, if Jesus wasn’t made such an example of at the time, we would most probably not be discussing him now because he would simply have been forgotten about. Without the violent act of crusifixion to undeline Jesus’ status (and fear, in Jerusalem’s political circles) his voice would most certainly have just been carried away on the wind, until he was no longer heard.

          So, without Judas, we would probably have not ended up with Christianity. I think the Christians should be a little more grateful to Judas, than they appear to be …….


          • Hi AJ, :-)

            Thoughts on God and Judas

            Your description makes god sound very cruel .. to use people as pawns – very ‘Job’, IMO. Does that mean you also don’t believe we have free will? I know we’ve discussed this subject, but I can’t remember the answer? I think, like Jesus, Judas had a choice. He could have walked away from the situation, we all have that right. That he didn’t took great courage and strength. I then had to wonder why he killed himself, apart from the obvious? From memory there are two different death stories in the bible. Ah .. (Matthew 27:5) there he supposedly hanged himself, and here (Acts 1:18) he ‘fell headlong, burst open and his guts spilled out’ .. yuk. Does raise questions about what really happened? Did he commit hari kari or did someone help him do it? There would have been a lot of people very angry with him then and now.

            Love & Peace

          • Hi Ama

            We are all on this earth for a reason. Some are here to do great and good things, whilst others are here to make a much smaller difference.

            I believe all the major events in our lives are set in place, before we return to this earth to our current life cycle. For example, my other half’s accident was no accident. It was meant to happen. It is part of his Karma.

            Did I blame God when it happened? No, I did not. Not once! I admit I did ask why my partner and not me, for I probably deserved it more than him, but the answer I got was quite profound (sorry – can’t say on here) and then I understood.

            Even if my partner had not gone on his motorbike that day – lets say, for arguments sake, I’d told him not to – he still would have had an accident resulting in paralysis. He might have stepped in front of a car instead? Or, maybe tripped over the cat and broke his back on a step, or rock or some furnature? Who knows – but, some events you simply can not avoid, no matter how much you try to evade them.

            BTW – there was a chap in the bed next to my other half who broke his neck whilst out jogging. He actually did trip over a tree root , hit a rock and paralysed himself from the neck down.

            We never know whats round the corner – but God does. He knows the greater plan and so do our guides/guardians. And if you really want to know what is going to happen in the next 15 years, just ask them.


          • PS Jesus knew Judas was going to betray him, even before Judas did. And Jesus forgave him, even before he’d done the deed.

            It must have been fixed!! There was no room for free will! Not on that occasions. It was far too important. As I said earlier, without Judas doing what he did, I doubt Jesus’ teachings would still have such an influence today.


          • But AJ .. what about the free will involved in being asked to ‘be’ Judas? My belief is that we choose our life path (major activities and themes) Before we come into the world. So, following that line of thought, Judas Chose – before he came into the world. He still could have turned his back and walked away at any time. Free will doesn’t happen by degrees, its all or nothing, and we only lose it when we ‘give’ it away to someone else. That he didn’t showed courage and strength .. either that or he was a rabid Jewish person who really hated Jesus .. but that is not what is written about him.

            Perhaps Judas is the first lesson in Christian forgiveness. He changed the reality of the world, and yet so many people are still focused on his betrayal.

            As you said, Jesus would probably not be remembered today if Judas had not acted the way he did. We should be thanking him!

            Love & Peace

          • Hi Ama

            Arrrh-ha! I see – You’re talking of free-will both whilst we are alive as well as between lives. I, on the other hand, was talking specifically bout the ‘fre-will’ of major aspects of our lives whilst alive, not in the ‘eternal’ context.

            So yes, I agree with you, the free-will bit (or choice / volunteering our role in major aspects of our lives) are all done before we are born, in order to fulfill that promise to God whilst we live and breath on this earth – for whatever reason.

            As for Judus, I think if he had not done what he had done willingly, then his hand would’ve been forced in some way shape or form anyway. After all, God’s role for Judus was far too important for him to simply walk away.


          • Morning AJ, :-)

            I think, in that situation, that God would have had contingency plans in place, IF Judas had chosen to walk another path. To me God never asks the impossible, nor forces us to ‘do’ anything. That negates free will. So in my opinion, someone else would have stepped in, if Judas had chosen not to honour his choice for the lifetime.

            Interesting topic. Thank you for the discussion. :-)

            Love & Peace

        • Hi Ama

          No – thank you for this discussion. Judas is a great topic – it is all too easy to dismiss him as nothing more than an evil lover of money, but I don’t think it’s as simple as that. As a result, I’ve had many a lively discussion with Christians about the role he played in Jesus’ story.

          Actually, I enjoy all our discussions. It’s good to get different purspectives on things. We all benefit from seeing the bigger picture.


      • Hi K Smith

        I like your posts.

        Quite a lot, I agree with …. quite a lot, I don’t.

        Most psychics, occultists, mediums and Clairvoyants don’t like Alister Crowley nor what he stands for, either.

        You said :
        “Wiccans also use the same Satanic pentagram that is used by the Church of Satan”

        Techically, your statement is not correct. Satanists reverse the pentagram, which acts the same as using the reversed cross / crusifix – IE drawing power from ‘below’ instead of from ‘above’. I’m sure you wouldn’t say a cross used the right way up is satanic, would you? The same apply’s with a pentragram used the right way up. Right way up, draws power from ‘above’. it is not evil when used correctly.

        You said:
        “I will end by saying that the bible states Christians are NOT to get involve in witchcraft, sorcery and magic. These things are an abomination to God.”

        This is where I get a little lost in the Christian concept …. what exactly is the definition of witchraft, sorcery and magic?
        Joel 2:27-32 talks of the day of the Lord, when He will pour out His spirit on all people – sons and daughters will prophesy, old men will dream dreams and young men will see visions. God promises He will pour out his Spirit to everyone to show the wonders in the heavens and on the earth.
        But – talk to most Christian’s and they will say that modern day prophesy and visions are from Satan. Most Christians condemn the psychic as a devil worshiper or, at least, being deceived by the devil just because they can see the wonders in the heavens and on the earth.

        Then there’s Jesus, turning water into wine …. what else could it be, if not magic or sorcery of some kind? And if it is different, HOW is it different? What makes it different?
        Then there is Moses parting the sea …. again, what explanation is there except for some kind of magic or sorcery??

        One can argue that any ‘miraculous power’ granted by God, to do God’s bidding for the greater good rather than for selfish means, must be for the good, and therefore, done in the name of God and not man. Thinking about it this way, God is just as capable of granting these same gifts today, as He was millenia ago. Who’s to say whether or not this ‘gift of miraculous powers’ granted to someone today, is not ultimately from God, with Gods blessing??

        I think fundamentally, the problem we have here, is this …

        Should Jesus return (in mortal form) in our time and start performing miraculous things, just as described in the NT, most Christian’s would instantly shun him and brand him a Satanist because they simply could not accept that he is, in fact, Jesus – God’s servant. This I find rather sad because, on the one hand Christians believe so faithfully and without question in what has been, yet can not bring themselves to believe so faithfully and without quesiton what is happening right under their noses, in the here and now. Or, maybe, that is God’s way of testing ones true faith, to see who beleives and accepts the gifts of God without question??


        • Absolutely AJ!!!!
          I believe there are many Christians, today, who would shun Christ if he were to return, and Christ even said that they would! I find it ironic that there are so many who would ignore the signs and God’s message because they are spending so much time taking things literally! If Christ were to return today, many, who call themselves Devout Christians would shun him, calling him demonic, a soothsayer, a warlock, a crazy nutjob!. I find it rather amusing that so many so called, believers are so quick to determine who will go to hell and who will not!! Those same people will judge Christ on His return the same as the Jews did. Yet, Christ will forgive you, because Christs message was to love one another and ourselves and that includes our enemies or those who we pass judgement on.

  3. In the Ten Commandments there are no prohibition for using magic or becoming a Wicca, right? Since Magic is just like a tools or method, it’s not wrong as long as you use it for goodness. In other word, Yes! You can still be a Christian even if you are a Wicca.

    • Hmm…why is it that Wiccan practices don’t work when used to combat demonic forces? Its because Wicca is demonic. I think most Wiccans are ignorant of this fact and are deluded into thinking its some kind of wholesome religion of nature.

      • How is it that you know for a fact that “Wiccan practices don�t work when used to combat demonic forces?” I mean I am not disagreeing or agreeing either one but just wondering how you could know that. It would require a lot of experience and direct contact with Wiccans before you could know something like that.

      • Hi Erik

        That is a very good question.

        Thing is, you have to fight fire with fire … like for like.

        For example: If someone were to ask you a question in German … why would you reply in French?? Same principle applies.

        Now – I don’t know much about the Wiccan belief but I’m pretty sure they don’t have a good and evil concept in the same vein as Christianity. This being the case, fear can not fuel the fire of evil.

        Unfortunately, most Christians I’ve met fear Satan – some to the point of hysteria. Fear is a negative emotion. Fear fuels negativity … negativity feeds on negativity … and Satan and his fallen feast on negativity until their belly’s are full.

        It is the Christian concept of either good or evil (no grey area’s) which effectively keeps Satan strong and empowered. If Christians were all to turn round tomorrow and refuse to fear Satan any longer, Satan and his fallen would fade away and die because no one feeds them anymore. In other words, they would no longer be important and therefore no longer empowered.


        • Absolutely AJ!!! To fear something gives it power over you!! You would hand your will over to that which you fear?? why give Satan that power over you?

          • Hi Luna

            You can tell I was an abused wife, can’t yu?? LOL!


          • Well, I didn’t identify you as such, but that does sound like something that might have come from abuse counseling. ;) Glad you found your way out and into something much better! I have been there, myself, with my first husband. But you are right; negativity does breed more negativity and that is what demons feed on! I just went to see the new Harry Potter movie, and this reminds me of a comment made by Hermoine Granger, “Fear of the name means fear of the thing itself” (in reference to Lord Voldermort) Her point was about the wizzarding world being afraid to say his name, and therefor giving Voldermort power. Kinda the same is true in your statement. To fear something gives that person/thing power over you. No one wants that.

          • No, AJ, I didn’t see you as abused wife either. ‘What doesn’t kill people, makes them stronger!’

            Love & Peace

          • I know I’m late on this response…..always seem to be that way with the “fun” topics (even though I’m staying the hell away from this topic as a whole).

            I just wanted to quote something from Dune (yeah, now we see how many nerds are in the audience, haha!).

            Bene Gesserit has this to say of fear (some of the best knowledge can be gained from fictional books, I swear.)

            Litany against fear:
            I must not fear.
            Fear is the mind-killer.
            Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
            I will face my fear.
            I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
            And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
            Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
            Only I will remain.

            Always loved that!!!

            I know you were talking about fearing Satan, A.J. But I think this is a good point on fear in the human condition… I had to. :)

          • Hi Siddle,

            That saying is one of the few things I remember from the Dune books. I always thought it was excellent! Thanks for quoting it.

            Love & Peace

        • Great comment, AJ, so very true.

          You said: “Satan and his fallen feast on negativity until their belly�s are full” … and I have to add .. and then they come back for more. Once attached they will not let go until forced to.

          Better not to have it happen in the first place.

          Love & Peace

  4. Lets look at the whole word of God and not just a part of it.In the 10 commandments doesnt say any thing about a pedophile either so does that make it ok?Before any judges any thing they must look at the whole words of God,in the new testament why did the christians come to gether AND BURN THEIR BOOKS ON MAGIC?Actsa 16:17 a girl with a spirit of divination wasa set free.Isaih 8:19 wizards are evil.Wicca claims that its ok to worship the earth but God said you are to worship no one but me.I was a satanist,a racist and a psychic for many years and now for the past 20 years I have been helping many get free from demonic powers.Go to Amazon and read the comments about my book called A PSYCHIC DISCOVERS JESUS.

  5. Tim WOW first of all I will go on down to part where you said what GOD said, He said do not put any other god before me meaning he to be first and what ever else next but always him first and fore hand.

    Next well I can tell you why the Christians burnt the books they was trying to control us that is why.

    It is really hard for me to believe that you were a psychic why you may ask well if your a psychic that is not some thing that you can not just shut off and forget. Also the Bible speaks of many psychics and prophets and I do not think that it is wrong to be that way nor is it against GOD.

    It is nice that you are helping people get free from demonic powers. But Wizards not all but most are not evil do not mean any harm just like Wicca practitioners it is good and white magic not evil like what you use to be in and thing of the such and is in the way of GOD that is just my out look on this.

    The ones who does evil magic is in no way with god does not want to be around god nor find him those are the bad ones not WICCA or all White Magic

    In no way am I meaning to be mean or disrespectful toward you at all

  6. Yes, Mr. Tim. The 10 Commandments didn’t say anything about pedophile. But, how about this command: “You shall not commit adultery.”? Isn’t that enough to cover the pedophile as one kind of adultery?
    And for your question, “Why did the Christians come to gather AND BURN THEIR BOOKS OF MAGIC?” I have 2 possible answer.
    1. People in the past, fear with something that they don’t understand, in this case, “Magic”. Then they just destroy it in their foolishness without understanding it carefully. Because they are too coward to looked at it.
    2. That’s because of their lacks of intelligence for understanding the thing that they call “Magic”. You know, in the past, most human are just a bunch of fools who thinks that “all of this is bad,destroy it” no one thinks that “this can be used for good or bad depends on how the user use it”.
    Well, that’s all from me. I hope you understand and satisfied. And sorry, my English is bad. ^_^

  7. Adhinferno first of all your English is great next your answer is so very true and what happens to all sort of things.

    That is why people are afraid of Aliens for they do not understand it.
    People are fools but there are those of us that do understand maybe not all but enough to be able to not be afraid of it. there are many things that I do not understand but I do not fear them well maybe if I happen up a monster of some sort I would run like a tornado but I would not want to harm it unless my life depended on it or my family then I might kill it in fear of lives being lost.

    Yes lives has been lost due to magic but if there were no black magic then there would be no white magic we are lucky that there are some magic left in this world and some do not believe in it at all but it is very real and but should not be feared. For all of the black magic spells there is a white magic spell out there to counter act and stop it.

    I did not mean to get off topic here but I just went with what I had typing.

  8. No divination of any kind is what the Bible says. The 10 Cmmandments were the written law for the Jews and for them during that period. Now if you are a Christian, afollower of Christ, you are under a new covanent, the Blood Covanent and no longer under the law. If you do magic of any kind it is displeasing to God under both covanents. I would say that God makes it pretty clear that it is sin either way you look at it.

  9. Hi Stella

    To answer your question, you have to look back further than Christianity itself, to Judism (Jesus was a Jew, after all) – specifically the Kabbalah and the mystical Jews.

    According to the traditional understanding, Kabbalah dates from Eden and its origin begins with secrets that God revealed to Adam.

    The mystical Jew’s performed (amongst other things) alchemy, magic and prophesy. Now, the Bible says nothing about Jesus’s formative years, especially his childhood. Arh! Yes! The great deception. But, according to other Holy scriptures (not connected to the Christian New Testament) Jesus spent his childhood living with, and being taught the Kabbalah, by the Mystical Jews. But, the Bible conveniently skips that part of Jesus’s life, between his birth up until he was about 12.

    The reason why Moses, Jesus and others were able to perform such miracles, was because they were taught these wonders by those who followed the teachings most likely to be closest to God’s True Word. God granted them these gifts because they strictly followed the Word Of God.

    So – to answer your question, YES I believe you can be both Christian and perform magic – provided that magic is done for the greater good. Always remember how Jesus conducted himself and ask yourself, if you were He, would you do this spell? If you can’t answer that positively, then don’t do the spell because it will not be for the greater good.


  10. Yes. It is only thought to be evil because there are those who would be taken from power if thought otherwise

  11. Yes, to all, Ama and Diana have a right to post this, but quite frankly, I don’t care if I offended you by posting/saying what I did. Speaking a lie such as, “God is Wiccan.” is a lie and if Jesus won’t have it and speaks out against it, then so will I.

    If I offend you by chastising you because you brought scripture into your various lies, I don’t care. When I quote scripture and you get offended, unless it’s because I am bending it to match what I want (like so many of you have done and what Jesus Christ says to NOT do), then you NEED to be offended.

    Diana- Stop calling it judgement. I’m not pointing my finger at anyone and saying, “you’re going to hell because of this.” I’m saying, “No, you lied and twisted scripture. THIS is what it says and THIS is what you need to do.” Yes, I am blunt and if that offends you, take what you will, comment what you want and leave.

    Luna- No, I’m not perfect, but the Word does say, “Iron sharpenth iron….” Jesus offended the Law Leaders by, guess what, quoting scripture. He brought CONVICTION upon them, but they veiwed it as Judgement. Did I attack Ama? Yes, I did. But did the enemy attack the writer of this question/answer post through Ama’s answer? Yes, it did. Luna, to put it bluntly, we’re in a war and it doesn’t matter if someone acknowledges it or not. A Christian IS NOT to do witchcraft, so says Jesus Christ. A person, it doesn’t matter who you are, IS NOT supposed to quote and then twist scripture to match whatever they say. Jesus attacked many people’s beliefs, many answers such as Ama’s. I’ve done this and not only to Ama, not only on the internet. Ask my friends. No one is excluded when something must be corrected, not me, not Ama, not you, not AJ, not Satan, not demons, NO ONE.

    • No, you didn’t offend me, Texture. You are just a perfect example of why I try so hard to get people to love instead of hating.

      Yes, we are at war, I totally agree. Whose ‘side’ you and I are on .. well, we both work for God and in the Light, so we are both on God’s side .. we just see things very differently.

      What made me sad was that you felt you had to threaten me with stoning .. people were killed by stoning in biblical times. I didn’t believe that you would .. but you are so angry, and that saddens me as well.

      No, I am not deluded. I just don’t believe what you believe. And I am not twisting scripture .. I quote it chapter and verse .. so that people can go and read it and make up their own minds.

      Personally, I don’t think this is the right site for you. You have to defy the teachings of the Bible, that says we should not associate with witches, soothsayers etc .. I am very definitely a Soothsayer. I guess that is why you are hiding behind a false name (pseudonym) .. so that your church won’t know its you going among the ‘lost’ and spreading your opinion on what we should or shouldn’t do.

      Thank you for your opinions, though. It gave me something to write about.

      Just for the curious – from the free online dictionary says:

      a. The judgment of a jury or judge that a person is guilty of a crime as charged.
      b. The state of being found or proved guilty: evidence that led to the suspect’s conviction.
      a. The act or process of convincing.
      b. The state of being convinced

      Judgment –
      1. The act or process of judging; the formation of an opinion after consideration or deliberation.
      a. The mental ability to perceive and distinguish relationships; discernment:
      b. The capacity to form an opinion by distinguishing and evaluating:
      4. The capacity to assess situations or circumstances and draw sound conclusions; good sense:
      3. An opinion or estimate formed after consideration or deliberation, especially a formal or authoritative decision:
      a. A determination of a court of law; a judicial decision.
      b. A court act creating or affirming an obligation, such as a debt.
      c. A writ in witness of such an act.
      5. An assertion of something believed.
      6. A misfortune believed to be sent by God as punishment for sin.
      7. Judgment The Last Judgment.

      and Condemnation -

      1. To express strong disapproval of: condemned the needless waste of food.
      2. To pronounce judgment against; sentence: condemned the felons to prison.
      3. To judge or declare to be unfit for use or consumption, usually by official order: condemn an old building.
      4. To lend credence to or provide evidence for an adverse judgment against: were condemned by their actions.
      5. Law To appropriate (property) for public use.

      I think we know where Texture is coming from.

      Peace & Love

      • Just so everyone is on the same page .. this is the meaning of soothsayer. Please read the history of the word, not just the current meaning.

        One who claims to be able to foretell events or predict the future; a seer.

        Word History: The truth is not always soothing, but our verb soothe is related to soothsayer, the word for one who tells the truth, especially beforehand. The archaic adjective and noun sooth, “true, truth,” comes from the Old English adjective and noun sth with the same meanings. The Old English form derives from Germanic *santh-az, “true,” which comes from Indo-European *sont-, one of the participles from the Indo-European root -es-, “to be”: the truth is that which is. Old English also formed a verb from sth, namely sthian, “to confirm to be true.” This is the ancestor of soothe; its meaning changed from “to assent to be true, say ‘yes’ to” to “humor by assenting, placate.” Doing the latter on occasion requires something less than the truth.

        Love & Peace

    • Okay then, so, answer Ama’s question, please. What is a fundamentalist like yourself doing on a Paranormal site such as this knowing the answers and reactions you will get?! Do you think that you are going to CONVERT any one of us?!! I have been on the other end, but now I choose ENLIGHTENMENT!!!! The only thing I asked from you was to be respectful of others on this site. You can state that, what you believe Ama to have said to be false, but to dive in and personally attack her because her belief system is not yours is flat out wrong!! It is only your BELIEF that she is lying, not the complete and utter truth!!! And if you say it is, I challenge to prove it and not with scripture, because, as far as I am concerned that has been tainted!!! Show me CONCRETE proof; otherwise, it is just your belief, just like it is with the rest of us. And if you do not like the reactions you are getting, you have the God given free will to leave this site and post no more.

    • You know Texture, I have been nothing but polite to you, and I get hateful remarks in return. That makes me sad…not for myself, but for you. Living with hate in your heart will wear you down and break your spirit. As much as I disagree with you your cruel statements towards others, I still wouldn’t want that to happen to you because you are a human being. However I am not going to lie and say that I respect you because I don’t. There’s nothing respectable about condemning others who don’t see things from your perspective. I tried to see things your way but, I’m not that flexible, and I can’t bend my head down that far.

      I’m going to end this conversation with you here and now because frankly, you’re spewing venom towards people that I DO respect…that in turn is wearing down my patience and I refuse to react to you out of anger. I do hope that someday you will see that loving others is a whole lot easier than hating them. Love brings you so much closer to the creator than hate ever could. Just something you might want to mull over in the future. I have no idea what could have happened to you in the past that would produce such an angry viewpoint but, I will send positive thoughts your way so that eventually you can heal from whatever is going on in your life.

    • And by the way, I’ll leave when I feel it’s time to go…and not a moment sooner. I am not your child (Thank Heavens). I am a grown woman and I will do as I see fit on my own terms, not yours.

      • Yes, I’m glad I’ve grown up too, Diana. LOL

        Love & Peace

        • me, too!! I’m glad I’m a grown up, too!!! LOL!!

    • i agree with Diana, from this point on your comments will be nothing but vapor, spam. For all I know, you could be one of those internet trolls like the poor misguided fool who made a point to praise God for causing a 9.7 quake and tsunami in Japan. Saying that he shook the people of Japan and woke them up. Innocent lives we lost that day, and, by the way, it was man’s doing, not God’s that cause the quake(from all the oil drilling.) I wish people would stop blaming God for the things WE do!!
      You heart is filled with nothing but hate, and somehow I feel you missed Jesus’ point; he wanted us to love thy neighbor and thy enemies. Jesus never mentioned raging any kind of war. You are so sadly misguided I don’t even know where to begin. I pity you; I feel sorry for any individual who can not find love in their hearts. It is absolutely very sad, and you are one very sad individual. If you call me Satanic(and YOU DID!!) then I call you Demonic. You are nothing but the opitomy of Hate, anger and loathing that Satan and his Minions thrive on. Maybe it isn’t Ama doing the Devil’s bidding but you; insighting and breeding loathing and anger among people. What happened to turning the other cheek? I think you were asleep in Bible class. Anyway, I am done. SAY ANYTHING YOU WILL; I WILL NOT RESPOND. This is the end of my communication with you. May someday you discover God’s true intentions for us and find a way to stop the hate and loathing that breeds deep in your Soul like an infestation.

    • We don’t have any knowledge or right to judge anybody else in terms of that person’s heart relationship to God. Only God knows what’s in a person’s heart. Someone whom we think is despicable, God might know as a wonderful person. Similarly, someone we think is good, God may see as a hypocrite, with a black heart. Only God knows the truth about every individual.

      • Thank you, Diana, for bringing me back to earth with that one! Got the best of me and It never should have. I apologize.

      • Well said, Diana.

        Love & Peace

    • Now, I know I said that I would speak to you no more, but this comment is for everyone else as much as it is for you. You speak of a war going on; yes, there is. This war you speak of is between God and the Devil. I feel, Texture, that you are taking the wrong approach to fighting this war by breeding hate and loathing among other fellow human being who are caught up in this war. Unwittingly, you are actually doing the Devil’s bidding. You see, I do not feel that the way to win this war is by “attacking” provoking” or breeding hate and anger amongst my fellow human beings. I believe the way to rid the devil from our lives is to love and respect each human being, reguardless of religion, race, or creed, and to remove fear from our hearts. In the statements such as yours, I feel that you are just spiritually immature. Now that I feel I have said what is important, I will speak no more directly to you, for in speaking to you, I feel anger provoked in me, and I choose not to go that route with anyone. As one wise person told me, “Love them and leave them alone.”