Do you believe in the God’s Laws (10 commandments) or do you believe they are nothing but man made Laws?
Asked by Big Chief
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If you believe the bible is God’s word, then you would have to believe the 10 Commandments are God’s laws.
I much prefer the Ten Commandments of Solon:
1. Trust good character more than promises.
2. Do not speak falsely.
3. Do good things.
4. Do not be hasty in making friends, but do not abandon them once made.
5. Learn to obey before you command.
6. When giving advice, do not recommend what is most pleasing, but what is most useful.
7. Make reason your supreme commander.
8. Do not associate with people who do bad things.
9. Honor the gods.
10. Have regard for your parents.
Love and Tolerance
Lucinda
BC is having fun.
I like adding questions too.
Here’s another one. How do we prove this question? We don’t have any facts, just opinions.
Well, here is mine. According to the Christian Bible Moses went up a mountain and came down with two stone tablets, which he promptly destroyed because his followers were worshipping their old gods and not this new one. He kicked ass and then went back up the mountain and came down two more .. and gave them to the Israelites. I want to know what was on the first set of tablets. Was it “Love one another as I have loved you?” Because that’s the only one that makes sense to me.
This is the edited version of the 10 commandments. I removed the flowery bits.
1 You shall have no other gods before Me.
2 Worship no idols. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God,
3 You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, (no swearing)
4 Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
5 Honor your father and your mother,
6 You shall not murder.
7 You shall not commit adultery.
8 You shall not steal.
9 You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
10 You shall not covet your neighbor’s (anything)
Even if they are man-made laws, I don’t have a problem with anything but the ‘jealous’ bit .. what does God have to be jealous of? If he’s the ONLY real God then .. nothing. Trouble is Jehovah had a rival, and his/her name is EL. That makes sense of the jealous bit .. but then who is EL.
EL .. who gave the angels their titles Micha-el, Rapha-el, Uri-el, Gabri-el .. and the rest. EL who said ‘love one another as I love you’.
So many knots to untangle. No wonder I find it fascinating.
Love & Peace
Ama
Yep Ama
Two brothers – me thinks.
lol – the 10 Commandments is one big contradiction.
You shall not murder – murder is rampant in the bible
You shall not commit adultery – some men had several wives and several concubines as well
and the list goes on….
One would have to define the words “murder” and “adultery” in Biblical terms
Lucinda,
yep, they sure are seem to be to me also. Though murder and kill are two seperate things in meanings in Hebrew bible and the Greek translations. The greeks only had one word for both words: “Kill” which puts murder and self-defense in wars, the home, etc in the same catagory ‘literally’ but not in practice. Hebrew language consisted of 2-3 times more words than the greeks, which is why there are many differences lost in the translation.
Remember, in the area and at that time, a man could have many wives and not commit adulty. But, he he touched another man’s wife/wives, he could be put to death… well, more often she was, which is weird to me, but oh well. :/
Hope that sheds a little light on the meaning in those times
Keith
Women get blamed for lots of things they haven’t done in patriarchal societies, Keith. The one that fascinates me is the burka .. women have to hide themselves from men because the men can’t control their own lust? Why is it the woman’s fault?
Love & Peace
Ama
I love your answer Lucinda.
Love & Peace,
Ama
Where is my biblical dictionary .. and believe me .. I have a couple … turns out I have three. LOL Completely useless.
Murder is still the forcible taking of one person’s life by another. The rules don’t change just because whichever government (laws) or ‘god’ (I use that term loosely) decrees that killing someone for your country is not ‘murder’. My apologises to all the soldiers of any governments reading this, my partner is a Vietname veteran, so I know about his memories/nightmares.
The rule about Adultery (sex – with your body or your mind, only with the person you are legally married to), on the other hand, in the bible seems to have been totally ignored.
Truthfully, with the foundation the Christian faith had, and the founders, its no wonder its gone to hell.
Good morning everyone.
Love & Peace,
Ama
i heard there were three tablets but he tripped on a rock and dropped the third tablet…so he went back up the mountain to have another one made but God was gone…
I think you may be thinking of a “Mel Brooks” movie!! LOL!!! I never read that he “tripped’ in the Bible, unless of course the writer was trying to add some comic relief!!!! “I give you fifteen (CRASH!) Ten commandments!!!” LMAO!!! I for the life of me, cannot remember tha name of that movie but I will find out!!! Anyone else who knows, feel free to chime in!!
I love Mel Brooks movies!
So do I, CT.
Was the tripping in ‘Life of Brian’?
Love & Peace
Ama
Hi Phil
Ha ha ha ha you crack me up.
LOL
Hi Phil,
We obviously watch the same movies .. wasn’t that Mel Brooks? I always love his stuff. LOL
Love & Peace,
Ama
yes history of the world part 1
Thanks!! should have scrolled down!!! Sorry!
The 10 commandments was God’s Law for the Isrealites in the old testament. When Jeus died on a cross as the final and all encompassing sacrifice to God for all the sins of the world and when we accept this loving and awesome sacrifice, we are no longer under the law.
Right on. I am always amazed at people who go back and borrow obscure rules from the old law and institute them into their church doctrine while ignoring the rules just before and after the particular passages they quote. My guess is that you have seen that. I believe if you are going to say ‘this is my book and the word on which I will live” should at least try to live it instead of other things. I see the WWJD pendants and signs and I think it means “What Would Judas Do?” when compared to most (not all) of the church goers I have ever personally known.
Sorry, we are no longer under the law, we are then under GRACE. You cannot go to Heaven accept by the Grace of God through Christ Jesus. You must accept the awesome gift of Grace because you cannot earn it and we did not deserve it.
the 10 Commandments are 1 big “do as i say, not as i do”.
And almost certainly mans rules. Completely defeats the point of free will if by not abiding to his rules we go to hell. Thats not free will, if anything it’s Blackmail.
I much preferred the premise for the new Satanic church.
Look after yourself, help others if you can, but never put yourself at risk to do so. Indulge in all the pleasures you desire sorta thing. It just makes more sense to me,speaks to me more than the bible.
It doesn’t make you a bad person, it makes you human. If God really did create us, he installed and created these emotions such as jealousy and rage. We can not be expected not to fall pray to them when he created them and gave them to us. And i do not for a second buy into that “it all came with original sin, when eve (or maybe Lilith?) partook of the tree of knowledge. Because until that point we where not sinful, and thus would not have been prepared to eat it. Stupid place to put a sacred tree anyway.
Hi JK,
We are still under the law. Jesus said it himself in Matthew 5:17-19
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets; I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not one letter, not one stroke of a letter, will pass from the law until all is accomplished. Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, will be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great int he kingdom of heaven.”
Heaven and earth has not passed away. I know this, because we are all still here.
(Interestingly enough, this quote could be interpreted as backing up my opinion that everyone goes to heaven .. we might be the ‘least’ as rule breakers, but we are are still there)
Yes, we are blessed by Grace, I agree wholeheartedly .. but we are the Children of God, and children need rules and boundaries in which to grow. It might be Grace that helps us into heaven, but its laws that lay down the foundation of our lives.
Love & Peace
Ama
Ama,
I agree wholeheartedly. It is heaven where we are judged. At that point, God sends us to our ‘final destination’ or so I believe as written in the Word.
Keith
I don”t find anything absurde about the Ten Commandments,since there is nothing there which instruct us to do evil.On the contrary,we are told to be honest,to restrain from killing,stealing or lying.Some of the Commandments even coincide with today legislation(eg:” You shall not steal!”-stealing is illegal, ” You shall not kill ”-murder can also get you in jail!).The downside is that they are pretty hard to follow.Sure,some are easily uphold by most people,like those which forbid thievery,murder or worshiping false gods,but others are not so easy to follow(eg:,lying-many people lie or are put into situations where they need to say a small lie).Anyway,they are a code for humans to try to follow,to be a kind of guideline for a better life.Of course, mankind cannot fully respect these Commandments and break them more than once,but this is where Jesus steps in,and that is a different,yet related story…
Agreed! If at all alone, the ten commandments are a good moral guideline and I also agree that some of them are difficult for mankind to follow.
Hi to All! (as I have been taught something long ago that may help you all, or not. lol)
The Commandments are the Word of God, as their Truth speaks for itself.
Another thing one must understand is that, while the bible was written by the divine inspiration amd words of God, Himself, it was transcribed and written by the fallable hand of humans. The Free Will that Ama so often emphasises – and rightly so – no doubt came into play in these writings in the form of contradictions and man’s own ego. Yes, inspired and given by God. No, not written by God, therefore it is not perfect.
The Holy Spirit that Jesus left within us is meant to be used, among other things, as a ‘guide to truth.’ A way to tell what is of God, and what is Not.
Lets say a story of a King slaughtering entire cities was transcribed into words. These words may very well have been written with human bias, due to the writers own ego, racism or favor to one side over another. Man also considers himself to be ultimately wise, when in thruth, we rarely are!
when the books of the NT were being organized into place, the books of Acts and The Gospel of Luke (written by Luke, unlike some of the other gospels) were used as references soley because the physician, historian and his proficiency in writing every detail he remembered was as unbiased as a man could get. (“Just the facts ma’am.” Remember the old show Dragnet? LOL!) It’s generally accepted that Lukes records were compiled by one of his students, as Luke died before he was done with that task. The Catholics who ‘assembled’ the NT heavily refered counted on these words to include other “Christ-minded” books that were not flat-out junk (a lot of people at the time turned in ‘just discovered’ gospels of their own writing, which were laughable in their fiction!)
Don’t know if you buy that or not, but I sure do!
Keith
I never did understand why the book of revelations made it in there. John, stuck on the Isle of Patmos, well he just might have gone a bit mad. I’ll never know. believe the struggle of good vs evil is escalating exponentially. I see it happen in every town I lived in… could I be a bad omen for a city? hehe
Keith
Or John .. was really annoyed with Nero and the oppression of the early Christians .. and did what others before him had done, wrote a political commentary full of prophetic visions from those who had gone before him. There were many examples of that in the OT, and it wasn’t uncommon to do son in the NT times.
Revelation became a wonderful way to control the masses .. who couldn’t read it for themselves, but were given it in bits and snippets the way the churches still do today.
Love & Peace
Ama
Even the bit that reads .. “I am a jealous God”, Keith?
What does God have to be jealous of? All powerful, omnipresent, rules everything, created everything .. jealousy comes from fear, what does God have to fear?
Our divine core belongs to God, regardless of where our minds wander in each lifetime, so it can’t be the fear of losing us? LOL
No, I think that one was an add-in by Moses in a hissy mood. MHO After all, his ‘followers’ were dancing around a cow when he finally struggled down the mountain under all that weight. Whatever happened to appreciation?
Love & Peace
Ama
Ama,
Yep, very possibly so. lol Moses was human, afterall.
Also, i believe that the ‘jealous God’ part was because they, the people, believed in so many god that God was giving them a bit of an ‘intervention’ session… like with families trying to get kids off drugs! lol
Keiht
So he lied to them?
No, IMO, it was Moses pulling rank on them. He wanted them to only follow his God. Right God, top god or wrong god, it was Moses’ God ‘or the highway’. So the ‘god’ had to be jealous. Which meant the god didn’t love unconditionally .. because you cannot love unconditionally if you are fearful of how someone ‘might’ behave. There’s no trust there.
Love & Peace
Ama
Ama,
Its a matter of faith for me. Not sure what else to say…
Can’t say I know the mind of God, but there’s plenty I can’t claim to know. I believe in God. He has given me the gift I have, of that I…personally…am sure
Keith
Exactly, Keith, its a matter of faith .. and for me, experience. God touched my soul, as he has yours, and all I found was LOVE.
Love & Peace
Ama