Can a Christian do Wiccan Magic and still be a Christian?

I have a question.

Can a Christian do Wiccan magic and still be a Christian?

Please don’t be rude to me because I’m Christian. Every witch I asked this question was rude to me just because am Christian. I was never rude to Wiccans pagans etc. and I never will be.

I just want to do magic because I like it and I wouldn’t make any harm to anyone with my magic.

Asked by Stella

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  1. I think that you should do what you want to do and I also think that due to Wicca being white magic and is from the earth that you could still be a christian and the Lord would not look down on you at all. Wicca and Pagans are said to be guardians of the earth and protect others and so on so it is up to you if you practice magic and feel like you should stop or if the lord told you not to then listen to him but do what you feel comfortable with

  2. Hi Stella,

    The only rule to being a ‘Christian’ is to believe in Jesus Christ. The rest is a religion created around a lot of other information, some of it true and some of it invented.

    Before anyone jumps down my throat, I studied Theology at St Marks Anglican College, Charles Sturt University in Canberra and I’m a Christian.

    Back to the question: Stella, if you want to practise Wicca, which is honouring nature and the Earth, as well as believe in the Christ energy … I don’t think Jesus will get angry. He also honoured the Earth, and God .. and God is Everything .. which means God is also Wicca.

    Now, where the spells are concerned. Watch your ‘intent’. Remember the rule. “If it harm none …” Think about each spell carefully. If it interferes with another person’s free will, and love spells is a good example .. it messes with the receivers free will, then don’t do it. The negative karma you will gather to yourself is not good. Use commonsense.

    As for rabid Wiccans and Christians, and Muslims and whomever else .. they seem to have lost the plot. The new ‘rule’ Jesus gave us was ‘Love one another as I have loved you’. What happened to that?

    Love & Light

    • Excuse me Ama, but you are incorrect. Wiccans DO NOT follow Jesus Christ. Being a Christian is NOT just a title. You wear it as one, but this IS NOT what Jesus wants or sees as a Christian.
      Christ said, “Pick up your cross and follow me.” This means everything to Christians and nothing to the Lost. Our cross can be anything and to truly pick up your cross, you must sacrifice E.V.E.R.Y.T.H.I.N.G. Being a Christian is a LIFESTYLE. Being a true Christian means that you have a relationship with Jesus Christ.

      I’ve read your comment and I do not care from where you studied. You may voice your opinion, but DO NOT tell others who you think God and Jesus Christ are. You, clearly, have no relationship with Him. To tell others that Jesus Christ is a Wiccan… Oh my word!!! Who are you to deceive and spread lies? Jesus said, “I am the Way, the TRUTH, and the Life.” He also said that He is God. He also said that one cannot have two masters and… correct me if I am wrong, but WICCANS serve the Earth. Jesus IS NOT the earth thus, JESUS IS NOT WICCAN.
      Who so you think you are to tell people a lie such as this. And yes, whomever looks and dis/approves this message, I have a right to post this!

      Jesus said, “Love one another as I have loved you.” I am loving you. I am sharpeneing your stone, Ama. Read the Word of the Living God. NO YOU CANNOT BE A SATANIST/WICCAN AND A CHRISTIAN AT THE SAME TIME! We are not supposed to co-exist with demons or sins. Whatever happened to that commandment, “You MAY NOT have any other gods before me!” How DARE you, Ama? Have you not read and understood?!

      Jesus said that no one comes to the Father, except through Him. Wiccans believe that in order to get to their “heaven,” they must serve the earth and yada…. NO! There is ONE way to God and Heaven..

      In the old days, the Isreal people would drag witches and wizards out of the city gates and kill them (Scripture [Old Testament]: Thou shalt not suffer a sorceress to live). In the Word it also says, “There shall not be found among you anyone who… uses divination or is a soothsayer or an augur or a sorcerer, | or a charmer, or a medium or a wizard or a necromancer.. [Old Testament]‘

      Before you quote Scripture, look it up. Loving DOES NOT mean co-existing.

      • This person is correct Anna I hate to say it but I cant figure out what religion you are but to be a christian means to be Christ like and you have so many beliefs that are against the word of God that I have had several people look at your comments and they even wonder what type of professor have you sat under.Scriptures are very clear about being blinded.The word of God over rules our opinens and thoughts.

        • Hi Tim,

          My professors taught us to have an open mind, and not just take everything in the bible as FACT, bless them. And no, they didn’t teach me everything I talk about, they taught me about Christianity .. from the point of view that the foundations are good, and everything written is only probable. I wish I was more Christ like, loving, kind, compassionate, thoughtful, Godfilled, and .. funnily enough he had a temper too. :-)

          The first thing our head lecturer said to us was “The study of Theology will either make or break your faith,” and he was right. I am very grateful that my faith in God and Jesus Christ is not based in Bible as ‘the absolute accurate word of God”. The contradictions would have killed it.

          Love & Peace

      • Hello Texture, I can be blunt too.

        Hmm.. I don’t remember saying that Jesus was Wiccan? I said ‘God is everything’ and therefore Wiccan .. since all belief systems begin and end in the Creator being, as does everything else on this planet, including the devil, and God hasn’t killed any wiccans yet. Yes, the early Jewish people did haul witches, sorcerers (and sorceresses) and warlocks, and others of that ilk, out and burn them, but then, once Christianity was established, the Christians also pulled out members of their own churches .. who disagreed with the common beliefs at the time (which later changed) .. and burned them too. But you can yell as much as you like, and I agree you have the right to voice your opinion.

        I have a question for you .. the same I ask for all fundamentalist Christians. What are you doing on a paranormal site, where people come seeking help with problems that the church either can’t, or worse, won’t, help them with? The other question, which always annoys me, is why are you not using your real name, but hiding behind a pseudonym? Oh I know its great protection, but why go into a situation where you think you need to not let anyone know who you actually are?

        In the meantime, I know plenty of good Christians who honour the earth, and plenty of wiccans who believe in Jesus Christ and follow his teachings – while honouring the Goddess and the earth. That this does not agree with what you believe .. I’m sorry; and in your opinion that makes me wrong .. fair enough. As Social_D said so politely, on another answer site, you have your opinions and I have mine. And you have your experiences with God, and I have plenty of mine. But I not judging your relationship with God and nor should you decide what mine is.

        One thing I do notice about Good Christians is that they are very good at judgment, fear, anger and hatred .. funny how the Wiccans are all about love, trust, faith and their truth, in its various forms.

        When you live fearing God, you live in fear. When you live loving and honouring a Creator being who loves us all unconditionally, fear has a habit of going out the window.

        And I have no idea which stone you are talking about, although it might be my gravestone. I should tell you, I intend to be cremated and scattered under some rose bushes.

        Love & Peace

        • Ama many people who claim Christianity have slaughtered millions. But Jesus said you will know a person by their fruits, and if there fruits are murder, rape, lying, torture etc then they are NOT Christians. Jesus said to be aware of false prophets..

          Matthew 7:15-16 – Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

          True Christians do not kill or burn witches. Please do not get the Old Testament and New Testament confused. Christians do not live under the law. Jesus nor his disciples NEVER killed anyone who rejected his message or practiced witchcraft. Jesus stated that we are to love our enemies. Those who kill are of Satan.

          Matthew 5:44 – But I say unto you, Love your eemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
          Seeing that you ask all Christians why are they on a paranormal site. My answer to you is that God created the SUPERNATURAL or SPIRIT REALM. My God created heaven and earth and he is NOT HUMAN. God is a spirit.

          John 4:24 – God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

          My Lord’s right hand can span the entire earth. This should give you an idea that God of the size of God, if his right hand can span the heavens of earth.

          Isaiah 48:12-13 – Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last. Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together.

          TrueGhostTales deals with the spirit realm and God created all the demonic spirits that make up the paranormal realm. In addition to this God has given all true Christians authority over every demonic spirit through Jesus Christ.

          Luke 10:20 – Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.

          If you ever read the bible it is a SUPERNATURAL BOOK there are chariots of fire, talking donkeys, angels that have 4 faces, evil spirits resembling frogs, Satan is a giant 7 headed serpent, even teleporting is mentioned in the bible, Holy angels that destroyed entire armies, God parted Red Sea and the sun refusing to set. These were all done through supernatural means.

          And the reason why many people do not get delivered from demonic attacks and affliction is because they lack faith. This goes for the Churches and people who are under demonic attack.

          I should add that there is no such thing as a GOOD CHRISTIAN. Jesus said only God is good.

          LUKE 18:19 – And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.

          Once again Wiccan was a religion created by men who hated God. Gardner and Crowley both denied Jesus and proved it by worshipping the creation rather than the creator.

          Reference to this……One thing I do notice about Good Christians is that they are very good at judgment, fear, anger and hatred ..

          If you have experienced fear, judgment, anger and hatred from people calling themselves Christians then that is sad. There are MANY false Christians and prophets out there PRETENDING to be Christians. The bible is clear the fruits of the Holy Spirit are as follows:-

          GALATION 5:22-23 – But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

          Reference to Wiccan fruits, here is what an occultist had to say about Wiccan.

          “Nudism, bondage, open air sex and flagellation, all personal weaknesses of Gardner, became prominent Wiccan rites.” Occultist Gavin Baddeley

          I will add that the fear of God is the beginning wisdom. I fear God and it is a godly fear that causes me to do right and continually seek my Savior’s face.

          Proverbs 9:10 – The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding

          Psalm 111:10 – The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.

          • Hello K Smith,

            Funnily enough, I do not have the Old Testament and the New Testament confused. And yes, I have read both of them, and often, given that I am drawn to God and Jesus Christ, and ALL the books that were written about them in the first few hundred years. I wish I had more time to read. People’s interpretations of the bible are as fascinating, and sometimes puzzling, as the accepted book itself.

            People who ‘believed’ themselves to be ‘true’ Christians, doing God’s work .. burned people, raped and tortured them. I agree they will have to sort it out in heaven, and apologise to those they harmed. Hopefully the victims will be more loving that their captors.

            Your answer about why you are on a paranormal site, is not an answer. Just because God created the supernatural and the spirit realm doesn’t mean you should play in it. According to the bible you are supposed to stay away from places like these. Or are you a missionary, defying damnation to ‘save’ us all .. because right now, I am already SAVED, and have been all my life .. and yet, God sent me among the ‘lost’ to help them find peace and healing (so you and I are not so different) .. and I try to ‘live’ by example, but not by jamming the Bible down their throats. The comment about knowing a person ‘by their works’ applies here. God knows my heart, and my love and my loyality .. and my trust, and my faith and everything about me. My favourite Psalm is 139 up to verse 18, where it changes tone completely, and in my opinion was another ‘add-on’ to the multitudes of changes made in the bible.

            I wish I could have sat at Jesus’ feet and listened, with the 72 who were constantly around him. They would have learned so much that is not in the book we currently call the Christian Bible. He spoke of the love of God in the hearts of all of us, not just in those that ‘followed’ him, the way they would have. He sought that love from us, he expected to find it, and he found what he was looking for. Decades later, when the gospels were actually written, people would have probably struggled to explain, or describe, the impact Jesus has on our lives, and still has, even today, thousands of years since He came among us.

            Otherwise, thank you for all the quotes. Very appropriate. I think the story of Judas is fascinating. I also believe he’s in heaven. He was instrumental in the process of Jesus being crucified on the cross. If he had not done his ‘job’, which Jesus sent him to do .. Jesus might not have died, and we might not be free. People should consider that before judging him so harshly. What a burden for a man to bear .. and he couldn’t bear it, according to the bible, but killed himself (twice damned to hell?). Do you really think God hates him for doing what was so desperately needed to be done? I don’t. I think he did what he was called to do, with profound courage, and I have grieved for him, as anyone with a loving heart should.

            As to the Wiccan beliefs, that’s between them and their God, or Gods. And I will say again, that everything on this world that is connected with humans, which means the earth itself because our bodies are made of the same components as the earth, is ‘of God’. God in Heaven, Jesus’ God .. Abba. Jesus made it that way again. That some people practise what you don’t like .. sorry .. and I am not one of them. What I do is try be a loving, kind person, who trusts an unconditionally loving God. How can a person fear someone who loves us like that? That I think the Bible is an interesting book, full of wisdom, and people’s opinons .. is my right – just as yours is to infer I won’t go to heaven. Well, I’ve been there, mate. And come back with the memories. I know I’m an odd soul (also an ancient one), and there are plenty more like me. And some of us Love and follow God .. the new Testament one, not the old Testament one, and some of us choose to walk other paths .. sometimes I think its because the Christians are so rabid in thinking that their (my) way of believing is the ONLY way to God, but its all the same God. There’s only ‘one’ God. It is EVERYTHING.

            Maybe I am just simply too literal? ‘Everything’ means ‘everything’ to me. It doesn’t mean ‘divided in separate parts’. Oh, hang on, isn’t that what each person is .. a separate part of God? I wonder why God allowed separation of ‘him’ (it)? Was it because God created us to learn and grow? Is that why God created the devil? I don’t think God does things by accident?

            Love & Peace

        • Amen, Amen & Amen Ama..
          I am and have always been a Christian..
          I also am a card reader, an intercessor & I have a Blessed Candle
          Ministry, All honoring my Lord & Savior Jesus Christ. My husband
          fights me tooth & nail over this, but you know what? I can’t put God
          in this box, and say He can’t do this that or the other.. because He
          can and does.. for me, my family & my clients.. just my 2 cents..
          thanx for listening…

          • Hello Johnnicatt,

            Nice to meet another of us who play outside the box. :-)

            What is a Blessed Candle Ministry?

            Love & Peace

      • You have a right to post this, just as Ama has a right to post what she wrote. Thumping everyone on the forehead with your Bible isn’t going to miraculously bend us all to your way of thinking, Texture. That’s just not the way faith works.

        I myself, do not believe in a God that will punish me for thinking for myself. If you do, that’s your prerogative….I wouldn’t want to live like that but, to each his own. I will however venture to say that your judgment of others isn’t exactly “Christian”. I would put down the stones if I were you…I’m pretty sure your God looks down on that type of behavior.

        • Hi Diana,

          I think it really depends on which God a person follows. The old testament one was very much into violence and stone throwing .. the new testament one, through JC, talked about ‘turning the other cheek’ and removing the ‘log’ from our own eyes before we try to remove the ‘speck’ (Matt 7:5) from someone else’s. (One interpretation of that could be ‘don’t make personal comments’).

          No wonder people get confused.

          Love & Peace
          Ama :-)

          • That’s just sad to me….but, even sadder is Texture being so quick to condemn others who don’t strictly adhere to her belief system. I don’t judge people based on their religious or spiritual beliefs. Faith is such a personal thing we all have within our hearts…and to throw stones because others believe differently is incredibly hypocritical and in my opinion an attempt to rationalize hating others. I would much rather love my fellow man than hate them just because they aren’t bending to my way of thinking.

            But that’s me…the world is made up of all kinds of people…and unfortunately not all of them are tolerant to that fact. To me, that is one of the major pitfalls of organized religion…people get to thinking that their beliefs are right and anything that even slightly contradicts said beliefs are automatically wrong and evil. It’s nonsensical. I like to look at my faith as a comfort, it’s always there for me, and it makes me feel like I’m part of something bigger than myself. It shouldn’t be something I throw in the faces of others to incite fear and anger. But as I said before, to each his own …one thing I can say is you will never find me shoving my personal beliefs down another persons throat…it’s not my job to make them believe or not believe.

          • I think your way of viewing the world is lovely, Diana.

            You know, I really couldn’t work out the ‘stone’ thing, but my mother said it, and I said no? I went hunting in the bible for ‘sharpening’ and only found Psalm 140? Never considered having rocks thrown at me. LOL I always look for the best in people, even if we have to agree to differ in our opinions. Oh well, fear can make us do foolish things.

            Luna, . It’s my own fault. I said to someone else, on another answer site, that I could dish it out, and I could take it. Helps me keep my ego in check. :-)

            Love & Peace

          • Luna, my comment to you came with a HUG! But the brackets I used around it made it vanish .. LOL

            Love & Peace

          • Ama, thanks for the “hug”!! Here’s one back at ya!! “HUG” LOL!!! I appreciate it!! :D

          • I must admit Ama that your words are stout against God. The God of the Old Testament whom you call violent is not only a loving and fair God. He is just and has NO pleasure in the death of the wicked.

            God speaking………. “Your words have been stout against me, saith the Lord. Malachi 3:13

            God speaking…..As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel? Ezekiel 33:11

            The bible states that the wages of sin is death. Yet, men still provoke to God to anger by worshipping demonic spirits whom they call Pan, Diana, Artemis, Zeus, Odin, Loki, Mercury, Baal, Chiun, Molech, Chemosh and Ashatroth. If you choose to worship the creation rather than the Creator then you are looking for trouble.

            Romans 6:23 – For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

            Therefore, if a man sin and refuses to repent, God will judge him and reward him according to his works.

            Ecclesiastes 3:17 – I said in mine heart, God shall judge the righteous and the wicked: for there is a time there for every purpose and for every work.

            Galatians 6:7 – Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

            I will end by saying that the God of the Old Testament and Jesus of the New Testament are ONE and the SAME.

            JOHN 10:30 – 31 – I and my Father are one. Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?

            Doubting Thomas called Jesus My Lord and my God. Even though God and Jesus are separate persons. The bible teaches that Jesus is still God manifested in the flesh and God created ALL things through Jesus Christ

            I TIMOTHTY 3:16 – And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of the angels, preached unto the gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
            God, the Father calls Jesus, God and Lord in Hebrews showing that JESUS is worthy of worship, glory and honor.

            HEBREWS 1:8 – But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the scepter of thy kingdom.

        • Absolutely, Diana!!! People are going to follow their own beliefs, and I, myself, respect everyone for their beliefs. I feel, that it doesn’t matter how you find God, just as long as you do. And, yes, Diana, Faith is such a personal thing and different for everyone. In order to love thy neighbor(as it is said in the Bible,) I feel we need to respect all our differences and accept that no one is perfect. We are not the one’s to pass judgement on anyone. What I may believe is wrong, may not be so for someone else. What I may believe is true, may not be true for someone else. For me to love my fellow man, means that I need to accept him or her for who they are reguardless of whether or not I agree with their beliefs or way of thinking.

        • Hello again K. Smith,

          Great thoughts .. here are mine.

          I love bible quotes. I have the NOAB bible, 2001, which includes the Apocrypha. It was, when I studied Theology, the most accurate translation from Hebrew and Greek etc, available in Australia at the time.

          I couldn’t quote Malachi off the top of my head, so I opened my bible and checked …

          “You have spoke “harsh” words against me, says the Lord. Yet you say “How have we spoken against you?” Was I harsh, I only stated ‘facts’ from the bible?

          Not sure where you got the ‘stout’ word from, and I thought it just meant ‘fat’, so I looked it up too …

          1. bulky in figure, corpulent, thickset, fat
          2. bold, brave, or dauntless
          3. firm, stubborn, resolute
          4. forceful, vigorous
          5. strong of body, hearty, sturdy.

          I like the thought of being bold, brave and dauntless. LOL From memory stout is also supposed to be a good beer? LOL

          If you have been reading anything I said, and you probably have by now because I go looking for interesting people too, you will know that I think the rules changed with the coming of Jesus Christ and his crucifxion. The wages of sin might be death, but I don’t actually see an empty world, and as we are ALL sinners, I have to wonder why we are suddenly not dead? Paul was very intense, and supposedly a great orator. I think I’m grateful his ‘facts’ (opinions) didn’t follow that statement, or none of us would be alive today.

          And if God can be provoked, how come he doesn’t actually do anything about our misbehaving? Or does he simply see us as children playing with toys as we express ourselves through All of His creations?

          And no, the God of the old Testament is not Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ was a man. God is God. The Christ energy was ‘of God’, but when they took down Jesus’ wounded body from the cross .. he was a man. And it was possible he wasn’t even dead. He only hung on the cross for only three hours, and still ‘bled’ blood and fluids. A dead body doesn’t do that, according to some medical professionals that I know. And Jesus didn’t become deified until about 100 years after the first books of the bible were written. Before you get me wrong, I truly believe he died on the cross, but .. God being God .. he doesnt’ punish anyone .. so maybe Jesus was allowed to continue his life .. but that’s a whole different set of thoughts, and I don’t want to start a war here.

          Walking softly,
          Love & Peace

      • Wow, Texture! Hummm???….. Yes you have a right to post your opinion, but I do believe it is not allowed on this site to post offensive comments. I found that quite offensive. Why, might you ask? Ama is sharing her beliefs; many people are here sharing there beliefs, but, even the other fundamentalists who have frequented this site, have not come straight out and blatantly attacked another poster for their beliefs no matter how much the disagree. Also, didn’t it state in the Bible that Christ said, “He who is without sin, shall cast the first stone?” Am I to believe that you are an all perfect being who is free from all sin??!! The last I checked, there was only one being like that and it was not you!!! So maybe you need to follow Diana’s advice and put the stones down before you hurt yourself!

        • My dad always used to say that people who attack others’ beliefs are generally not secure in their own. If they were they wouldn’t feel the need to put up such a fight. They would look inward with the certainty that their faith was cemented in their hearts and move on. That seems like it may be the case here. I don’t think any amount of reasoning is going to change what Texture feels towards any of us, and you know, I’m fine with that. I know who I am, where I came from, and where I’m going. I don’t need to degrade others to feel whole. I already do. I hope that someday, Texture will know what that completeness feels like. Until then, I’m confident I have the tools to peacefully coexist with the many different people around me, and I’m perfectly happy to do just that ;)

          • Luna and Diana, thank you for being two voices of reason on this site. I do feel partly responsible for creating the trouble, but I am not going to go away either. I understand where Texture is coming from, given that I am just as intense about my ‘belief system’ and IT (we still dont’ know for sure whether its a lady or aman) is, and have had similar conversations with true believers over all the years I’ve been on the net, on lists there were not moderated.

            What really worries me, and I’m writing it here for Caretaker particularly, is that people like this will gather in groups, on groups like ours with the intention of wrecking it. And more timid true believers will use this altercation as an opportunity to throw in a few remarks of their own. They will, if given the chance, attack each person individually until they leave. To that end I am very grateful to CT for his moderating, because he’s trying to allow everyone their free speech .. something I truly agree with … but he’ll also keep us safe from the truly nasty stuff.

            Wishing you all a lovely rest of the day. It’s sunday morning, still dark, and raining ..again!

            Love & Peace

          • Thanks Ama, it really isnt an easy task to moderate something like this. I try to use the best judgement that I can but I am human :)

          • What, CT, no angelic tap on the shoulder to tell you to ‘delete that paragraph’? LOL :-)

            I stand corrected .. or in this case, sit. If my guides/teachers/angels (depends on how you think of them) do not like something I am writing, or even thinking, sometimes .. I get the message “Ama, give it to God” .. and I love them for it.

            Love & Peace

    • Ama you stated that the only rule to being a ‘Christian’ is to believe in Jesus Christ. I disagree with you on that because Satan and his demonic host believe in Jesus and are NOT Christians. Jesus disciple Judas Iscariot believed in him and betrayed him unto death. Therefore, as we can see believing in Jesus is not enough. The bible is clear when it says that not everyone who calls Lord, Lord will enter heaven.

      MATTHEW 7:21 – Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

      I should add that studying theology at a school does not make a person a Christian. Jesus disciples were uneducated fishermen etc. True wisdom, knowledge and understanding comes God and if any Christian lacks these things they can ask God in Jesus name for them.

      James 1:5 – If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

      Wiccan is the worship the gods Pan, Diana, Cernunnos, The Great Mother or Holy Mother Earth etc. This religion is a pagan earth based religion and antichrist. The bible clearly states that only God is worthy to receive honor, power and glory not the things he created. The worship of other gods is prohibited in Christianity.

      Exodus 20:3-5 – Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

      You stated that “God is Everything .. which means God is also Wicca.” I should add that God is NOT Wicca because I once read that fifty percent of modern Wicca is an invention bought and paid for by Gerald B. Gardner from Aleister Crowley. This same Aleister Crowley who once stated that he wanted to be Satan’s chief of Staff.

      I simply went over to Satan’s side and I do not know why.” I was not content to just believe in Satan, I wanted to be his chief of staff”. Aleister Crowley, British occultist

      Wiccans also use the same Satanic pentagram that is used by the Church of Satan. Ex- Wiccan high priest and Magus William Schnoebelen who was initiated into Alexandrian Wicca and in the rank of The Drudic Craft of the Wise acknowledged that when he became a Wiccan high priests, the Inverted Pentagram was traced on his body in oil, wine and kisses.

      Jesus did tell us RABID Christians to love one another. He also stated that no man can serve TWO MASTERS.

      MATTHEW 6:24 – No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

      I will end by saying that the bible states Christians are NOT to get involve in witchcraft, sorcery and magic. These things are an abomination to God.

      DEUTERONOMY18:9 When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.10There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,11Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. 2 For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.

      • Lucky last .. or, K. Smith, are you another believer (not including me) who thinks that Luck was a Babylonian God who we ‘invoke’ when we wish someone luck? Hmm … LOL

        Ignoring that completely .. I did a search for the meaning of ‘being Christian’. Thank you Wikipedia, I agree demons are not Christian, being ‘not good’.

        My comment about Judas should have gone here, but I read all three messages before I began to answer them, and who Judas was, and what he did, was one of the indepth discussions I had with the Anglican Minister who trained me before my Confirmation (changing from Methodist to Anglican) at the age of 29. Since I already ‘knew’ what he was supposed to teach me over the 10 sessions, we had 10 deep and meaningful two hour discussions on God, the bible, history, missionaries .. and many other Christina related topics. As I said somewhere else, he fostered my love for God and Jesus Christ, and tolerated my differences. Funnily enough, he had to ask the Bishop if I could be confirmed Anglican although I refused to give up my belief in reincarnation. That prompted the Bishop, without permission, to pray the Exorcism rites over my head the night before my Confirmation. He seemed very disappointed when I didn’t start writhing on the ground, or speaking in tongues, or whatever .. turned out I am not possessed. I got a laugh out of it, but my poor Minister was truly embarrassed!

        Back to your comment:

        I think its so strange that its not enough to simply believe in Jesus Christ as God’s representative on earth when you think how powerful that is! Obviously I didn’t explain myself well enough .. to me it includes trying to live by the rules, the ones that Jesus said ‘love God’, and ‘love one another’. From that all good things flow.

        I agree studying Theology might not make a person a Christian. In fact, our head lecturer said ‘the study of theology will either make or break your faith’. Good man! Theology is the study of the Christian Bible, among many other things related to that subject. It has nothing to do with faith. You either believe, or you don’t. That has to be up to each individual. But one has to wonder why someone would bother wasting three solid, full-on, years, studying the subject if one wasn’t a Christian?

        And yes, K. Smith, I ‘call on’ God and Jesus often. I constantly ask for help with everything I am doing, and saying (or writing).

        What living people do with the title ‘wicca’ is up to them, and not all of them follow the villains. I know their names too. I don’t remember Crowley as a wiccan, though I think he might have started that way. I have not researched him. As far as I’m aware he was a Satanist. That is Nothing like a Wiccan. And while the wiccan symbol (a star) is point down in Satanism, its point up (being literal again) in Wicca. That makes it the REVERSE of the negativity. The opposite of negative is positive, by scientific laws, also God’s laws (demons/angels) if I remember correctly … and no, I didn’t look in the bible for that one.

        Not all Christians are rabid. I know some truly beautiful souls (which I have written before) who practise what they believe, and are a living example of Jesus’ love on earth. I am grateful to know them .. and then there some others. The ones who demand we do things ‘only their way’ or we are going to hell ….. so, sorry if I offended you but I was NOT speaking to YOU personally at the time .. so why do you take offense? You may be one of the truly Light folk. :-)

        I also don’t agree with spellcasting. I think it messes too much with people’s karma. But I do agree we should honour and look after the Earth. Our lack of respect for it is destroying the only home we have. I wonder why THAT wasn’t mentioned in the bible? Doesn’t God care about the planet? He gave humanity ‘dominion’ over it, and all the plants and animals .. I guess he meant us to protect it? But why wasn’t he more specifically? Sadly, that too, is open to misinterpretation.

        Love & Peace

        • Hi Ama


          I believe that Judas was sent by God, used as a pawn in the chess game being played at the time, specifically for one job; being, grassing Jesus up. After all, if Jesus wasn’t made such an example of at the time, we would most probably not be discussing him now because he would simply have been forgotten about. Without the violent act of crusifixion to undeline Jesus’ status (and fear, in Jerusalem’s political circles) his voice would most certainly have just been carried away on the wind, until he was no longer heard.

          So, without Judas, we would probably have not ended up with Christianity. I think the Christians should be a little more grateful to Judas, than they appear to be …….


          • Hi AJ, :-)

            Thoughts on God and Judas

            Your description makes god sound very cruel .. to use people as pawns – very ‘Job’, IMO. Does that mean you also don’t believe we have free will? I know we’ve discussed this subject, but I can’t remember the answer? I think, like Jesus, Judas had a choice. He could have walked away from the situation, we all have that right. That he didn’t took great courage and strength. I then had to wonder why he killed himself, apart from the obvious? From memory there are two different death stories in the bible. Ah .. (Matthew 27:5) there he supposedly hanged himself, and here (Acts 1:18) he ‘fell headlong, burst open and his guts spilled out’ .. yuk. Does raise questions about what really happened? Did he commit hari kari or did someone help him do it? There would have been a lot of people very angry with him then and now.

            Love & Peace

          • Hi Ama

            We are all on this earth for a reason. Some are here to do great and good things, whilst others are here to make a much smaller difference.

            I believe all the major events in our lives are set in place, before we return to this earth to our current life cycle. For example, my other half’s accident was no accident. It was meant to happen. It is part of his Karma.

            Did I blame God when it happened? No, I did not. Not once! I admit I did ask why my partner and not me, for I probably deserved it more than him, but the answer I got was quite profound (sorry – can’t say on here) and then I understood.

            Even if my partner had not gone on his motorbike that day – lets say, for arguments sake, I’d told him not to – he still would have had an accident resulting in paralysis. He might have stepped in front of a car instead? Or, maybe tripped over the cat and broke his back on a step, or rock or some furnature? Who knows – but, some events you simply can not avoid, no matter how much you try to evade them.

            BTW – there was a chap in the bed next to my other half who broke his neck whilst out jogging. He actually did trip over a tree root , hit a rock and paralysed himself from the neck down.

            We never know whats round the corner – but God does. He knows the greater plan and so do our guides/guardians. And if you really want to know what is going to happen in the next 15 years, just ask them.


          • PS Jesus knew Judas was going to betray him, even before Judas did. And Jesus forgave him, even before he’d done the deed.

            It must have been fixed!! There was no room for free will! Not on that occasions. It was far too important. As I said earlier, without Judas doing what he did, I doubt Jesus’ teachings would still have such an influence today.


          • But AJ .. what about the free will involved in being asked to ‘be’ Judas? My belief is that we choose our life path (major activities and themes) Before we come into the world. So, following that line of thought, Judas Chose – before he came into the world. He still could have turned his back and walked away at any time. Free will doesn’t happen by degrees, its all or nothing, and we only lose it when we ‘give’ it away to someone else. That he didn’t showed courage and strength .. either that or he was a rabid Jewish person who really hated Jesus .. but that is not what is written about him.

            Perhaps Judas is the first lesson in Christian forgiveness. He changed the reality of the world, and yet so many people are still focused on his betrayal.

            As you said, Jesus would probably not be remembered today if Judas had not acted the way he did. We should be thanking him!

            Love & Peace

          • Hi Ama

            Arrrh-ha! I see – You’re talking of free-will both whilst we are alive as well as between lives. I, on the other hand, was talking specifically bout the ‘fre-will’ of major aspects of our lives whilst alive, not in the ‘eternal’ context.

            So yes, I agree with you, the free-will bit (or choice / volunteering our role in major aspects of our lives) are all done before we are born, in order to fulfill that promise to God whilst we live and breath on this earth – for whatever reason.

            As for Judus, I think if he had not done what he had done willingly, then his hand would’ve been forced in some way shape or form anyway. After all, God’s role for Judus was far too important for him to simply walk away.


          • Morning AJ, :-)

            I think, in that situation, that God would have had contingency plans in place, IF Judas had chosen to walk another path. To me God never asks the impossible, nor forces us to ‘do’ anything. That negates free will. So in my opinion, someone else would have stepped in, if Judas had chosen not to honour his choice for the lifetime.

            Interesting topic. Thank you for the discussion. :-)

            Love & Peace

        • Hi Ama

          No – thank you for this discussion. Judas is a great topic – it is all too easy to dismiss him as nothing more than an evil lover of money, but I don’t think it’s as simple as that. As a result, I’ve had many a lively discussion with Christians about the role he played in Jesus’ story.

          Actually, I enjoy all our discussions. It’s good to get different purspectives on things. We all benefit from seeing the bigger picture.


      • Hi K Smith

        I like your posts.

        Quite a lot, I agree with …. quite a lot, I don’t.

        Most psychics, occultists, mediums and Clairvoyants don’t like Alister Crowley nor what he stands for, either.

        You said :
        “Wiccans also use the same Satanic pentagram that is used by the Church of Satan”

        Techically, your statement is not correct. Satanists reverse the pentagram, which acts the same as using the reversed cross / crusifix – IE drawing power from ‘below’ instead of from ‘above’. I’m sure you wouldn’t say a cross used the right way up is satanic, would you? The same apply’s with a pentragram used the right way up. Right way up, draws power from ‘above’. it is not evil when used correctly.

        You said:
        “I will end by saying that the bible states Christians are NOT to get involve in witchcraft, sorcery and magic. These things are an abomination to God.”

        This is where I get a little lost in the Christian concept …. what exactly is the definition of witchraft, sorcery and magic?
        Joel 2:27-32 talks of the day of the Lord, when He will pour out His spirit on all people – sons and daughters will prophesy, old men will dream dreams and young men will see visions. God promises He will pour out his Spirit to everyone to show the wonders in the heavens and on the earth.
        But – talk to most Christian’s and they will say that modern day prophesy and visions are from Satan. Most Christians condemn the psychic as a devil worshiper or, at least, being deceived by the devil just because they can see the wonders in the heavens and on the earth.

        Then there’s Jesus, turning water into wine …. what else could it be, if not magic or sorcery of some kind? And if it is different, HOW is it different? What makes it different?
        Then there is Moses parting the sea …. again, what explanation is there except for some kind of magic or sorcery??

        One can argue that any ‘miraculous power’ granted by God, to do God’s bidding for the greater good rather than for selfish means, must be for the good, and therefore, done in the name of God and not man. Thinking about it this way, God is just as capable of granting these same gifts today, as He was millenia ago. Who’s to say whether or not this ‘gift of miraculous powers’ granted to someone today, is not ultimately from God, with Gods blessing??

        I think fundamentally, the problem we have here, is this …

        Should Jesus return (in mortal form) in our time and start performing miraculous things, just as described in the NT, most Christian’s would instantly shun him and brand him a Satanist because they simply could not accept that he is, in fact, Jesus – God’s servant. This I find rather sad because, on the one hand Christians believe so faithfully and without question in what has been, yet can not bring themselves to believe so faithfully and without quesiton what is happening right under their noses, in the here and now. Or, maybe, that is God’s way of testing ones true faith, to see who beleives and accepts the gifts of God without question??


        • Absolutely AJ!!!!
          I believe there are many Christians, today, who would shun Christ if he were to return, and Christ even said that they would! I find it ironic that there are so many who would ignore the signs and God’s message because they are spending so much time taking things literally! If Christ were to return today, many, who call themselves Devout Christians would shun him, calling him demonic, a soothsayer, a warlock, a crazy nutjob!. I find it rather amusing that so many so called, believers are so quick to determine who will go to hell and who will not!! Those same people will judge Christ on His return the same as the Jews did. Yet, Christ will forgive you, because Christs message was to love one another and ourselves and that includes our enemies or those who we pass judgement on.

  3. In the Ten Commandments there are no prohibition for using magic or becoming a Wicca, right? Since Magic is just like a tools or method, it’s not wrong as long as you use it for goodness. In other word, Yes! You can still be a Christian even if you are a Wicca.

    • Hmm…why is it that Wiccan practices don’t work when used to combat demonic forces? Its because Wicca is demonic. I think most Wiccans are ignorant of this fact and are deluded into thinking its some kind of wholesome religion of nature.

      • How is it that you know for a fact that “Wiccan practices don’t work when used to combat demonic forces?” I mean I am not disagreeing or agreeing either one but just wondering how you could know that. It would require a lot of experience and direct contact with Wiccans before you could know something like that.

      • Hi Erik

        That is a very good question.

        Thing is, you have to fight fire with fire … like for like.

        For example: If someone were to ask you a question in German … why would you reply in French?? Same principle applies.

        Now – I don’t know much about the Wiccan belief but I’m pretty sure they don’t have a good and evil concept in the same vein as Christianity. This being the case, fear can not fuel the fire of evil.

        Unfortunately, most Christians I’ve met fear Satan – some to the point of hysteria. Fear is a negative emotion. Fear fuels negativity … negativity feeds on negativity … and Satan and his fallen feast on negativity until their belly’s are full.

        It is the Christian concept of either good or evil (no grey area’s) which effectively keeps Satan strong and empowered. If Christians were all to turn round tomorrow and refuse to fear Satan any longer, Satan and his fallen would fade away and die because no one feeds them anymore. In other words, they would no longer be important and therefore no longer empowered.


        • Absolutely AJ!!! To fear something gives it power over you!! You would hand your will over to that which you fear?? why give Satan that power over you?

          • Hi Luna

            You can tell I was an abused wife, can’t yu?? LOL!


          • Well, I didn’t identify you as such, but that does sound like something that might have come from abuse counseling. ;) Glad you found your way out and into something much better! I have been there, myself, with my first husband. But you are right; negativity does breed more negativity and that is what demons feed on! I just went to see the new Harry Potter movie, and this reminds me of a comment made by Hermoine Granger, “Fear of the name means fear of the thing itself” (in reference to Lord Voldermort) Her point was about the wizzarding world being afraid to say his name, and therefor giving Voldermort power. Kinda the same is true in your statement. To fear something gives that person/thing power over you. No one wants that.

          • No, AJ, I didn’t see you as abused wife either. ‘What doesn’t kill people, makes them stronger!’

            Love & Peace

          • I know I’m late on this response…..always seem to be that way with the “fun” topics (even though I’m staying the hell away from this topic as a whole).

            I just wanted to quote something from Dune (yeah, now we see how many nerds are in the audience, haha!).

            Bene Gesserit has this to say of fear (some of the best knowledge can be gained from fictional books, I swear.)

            Litany against fear:
            I must not fear.
            Fear is the mind-killer.
            Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
            I will face my fear.
            I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
            And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
            Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
            Only I will remain.

            Always loved that!!!

            I know you were talking about fearing Satan, A.J. But I think this is a good point on fear in the human condition… I had to. :)

          • Hi Siddle,

            That saying is one of the few things I remember from the Dune books. I always thought it was excellent! Thanks for quoting it.

            Love & Peace

        • Great comment, AJ, so very true.

          You said: “Satan and his fallen feast on negativity until their belly’s are full” … and I have to add .. and then they come back for more. Once attached they will not let go until forced to.

          Better not to have it happen in the first place.

          Love & Peace

  4. Lets look at the whole word of God and not just a part of it.In the 10 commandments doesnt say any thing about a pedophile either so does that make it ok?Before any judges any thing they must look at the whole words of God,in the new testament why did the christians come to gether AND BURN THEIR BOOKS ON MAGIC?Actsa 16:17 a girl with a spirit of divination wasa set free.Isaih 8:19 wizards are evil.Wicca claims that its ok to worship the earth but God said you are to worship no one but me.I was a satanist,a racist and a psychic for many years and now for the past 20 years I have been helping many get free from demonic powers.Go to Amazon and read the comments about my book called A PSYCHIC DISCOVERS JESUS.

  5. Tim WOW first of all I will go on down to part where you said what GOD said, He said do not put any other god before me meaning he to be first and what ever else next but always him first and fore hand.

    Next well I can tell you why the Christians burnt the books they was trying to control us that is why.

    It is really hard for me to believe that you were a psychic why you may ask well if your a psychic that is not some thing that you can not just shut off and forget. Also the Bible speaks of many psychics and prophets and I do not think that it is wrong to be that way nor is it against GOD.

    It is nice that you are helping people get free from demonic powers. But Wizards not all but most are not evil do not mean any harm just like Wicca practitioners it is good and white magic not evil like what you use to be in and thing of the such and is in the way of GOD that is just my out look on this.

    The ones who does evil magic is in no way with god does not want to be around god nor find him those are the bad ones not WICCA or all White Magic

    In no way am I meaning to be mean or disrespectful toward you at all

  6. Yes, Mr. Tim. The 10 Commandments didn’t say anything about pedophile. But, how about this command: “You shall not commit adultery.”? Isn’t that enough to cover the pedophile as one kind of adultery?
    And for your question, “Why did the Christians come to gather AND BURN THEIR BOOKS OF MAGIC?” I have 2 possible answer.
    1. People in the past, fear with something that they don’t understand, in this case, “Magic”. Then they just destroy it in their foolishness without understanding it carefully. Because they are too coward to looked at it.
    2. That’s because of their lacks of intelligence for understanding the thing that they call “Magic”. You know, in the past, most human are just a bunch of fools who thinks that “all of this is bad,destroy it” no one thinks that “this can be used for good or bad depends on how the user use it”.
    Well, that’s all from me. I hope you understand and satisfied. And sorry, my English is bad. ^_^

  7. Adhinferno first of all your English is great next your answer is so very true and what happens to all sort of things.

    That is why people are afraid of Aliens for they do not understand it.
    People are fools but there are those of us that do understand maybe not all but enough to be able to not be afraid of it. there are many things that I do not understand but I do not fear them well maybe if I happen up a monster of some sort I would run like a tornado but I would not want to harm it unless my life depended on it or my family then I might kill it in fear of lives being lost.

    Yes lives has been lost due to magic but if there were no black magic then there would be no white magic we are lucky that there are some magic left in this world and some do not believe in it at all but it is very real and but should not be feared. For all of the black magic spells there is a white magic spell out there to counter act and stop it.

    I did not mean to get off topic here but I just went with what I had typing.

  8. No divination of any kind is what the Bible says. The 10 Cmmandments were the written law for the Jews and for them during that period. Now if you are a Christian, afollower of Christ, you are under a new covanent, the Blood Covanent and no longer under the law. If you do magic of any kind it is displeasing to God under both covanents. I would say that God makes it pretty clear that it is sin either way you look at it.

  9. Hi Stella

    To answer your question, you have to look back further than Christianity itself, to Judism (Jesus was a Jew, after all) – specifically the Kabbalah and the mystical Jews.

    According to the traditional understanding, Kabbalah dates from Eden and its origin begins with secrets that God revealed to Adam.

    The mystical Jew’s performed (amongst other things) alchemy, magic and prophesy. Now, the Bible says nothing about Jesus’s formative years, especially his childhood. Arh! Yes! The great deception. But, according to other Holy scriptures (not connected to the Christian New Testament) Jesus spent his childhood living with, and being taught the Kabbalah, by the Mystical Jews. But, the Bible conveniently skips that part of Jesus’s life, between his birth up until he was about 12.

    The reason why Moses, Jesus and others were able to perform such miracles, was because they were taught these wonders by those who followed the teachings most likely to be closest to God’s True Word. God granted them these gifts because they strictly followed the Word Of God.

    So – to answer your question, YES I believe you can be both Christian and perform magic – provided that magic is done for the greater good. Always remember how Jesus conducted himself and ask yourself, if you were He, would you do this spell? If you can’t answer that positively, then don’t do the spell because it will not be for the greater good.


  10. Yes. It is only thought to be evil because there are those who would be taken from power if thought otherwise

  11. Yes, to all, Ama and Diana have a right to post this, but quite frankly, I don’t care if I offended you by posting/saying what I did. Speaking a lie such as, “God is Wiccan.” is a lie and if Jesus won’t have it and speaks out against it, then so will I.

    If I offend you by chastising you because you brought scripture into your various lies, I don’t care. When I quote scripture and you get offended, unless it’s because I am bending it to match what I want (like so many of you have done and what Jesus Christ says to NOT do), then you NEED to be offended.

    Diana- Stop calling it judgement. I’m not pointing my finger at anyone and saying, “you’re going to hell because of this.” I’m saying, “No, you lied and twisted scripture. THIS is what it says and THIS is what you need to do.” Yes, I am blunt and if that offends you, take what you will, comment what you want and leave.

    Luna- No, I’m not perfect, but the Word does say, “Iron sharpenth iron….” Jesus offended the Law Leaders by, guess what, quoting scripture. He brought CONVICTION upon them, but they veiwed it as Judgement. Did I attack Ama? Yes, I did. But did the enemy attack the writer of this question/answer post through Ama’s answer? Yes, it did. Luna, to put it bluntly, we’re in a war and it doesn’t matter if someone acknowledges it or not. A Christian IS NOT to do witchcraft, so says Jesus Christ. A person, it doesn’t matter who you are, IS NOT supposed to quote and then twist scripture to match whatever they say. Jesus attacked many people’s beliefs, many answers such as Ama’s. I’ve done this and not only to Ama, not only on the internet. Ask my friends. No one is excluded when something must be corrected, not me, not Ama, not you, not AJ, not Satan, not demons, NO ONE.

    • No, you didn’t offend me, Texture. You are just a perfect example of why I try so hard to get people to love instead of hating.

      Yes, we are at war, I totally agree. Whose ‘side’ you and I are on .. well, we both work for God and in the Light, so we are both on God’s side .. we just see things very differently.

      What made me sad was that you felt you had to threaten me with stoning .. people were killed by stoning in biblical times. I didn’t believe that you would .. but you are so angry, and that saddens me as well.

      No, I am not deluded. I just don’t believe what you believe. And I am not twisting scripture .. I quote it chapter and verse .. so that people can go and read it and make up their own minds.

      Personally, I don’t think this is the right site for you. You have to defy the teachings of the Bible, that says we should not associate with witches, soothsayers etc .. I am very definitely a Soothsayer. I guess that is why you are hiding behind a false name (pseudonym) .. so that your church won’t know its you going among the ‘lost’ and spreading your opinion on what we should or shouldn’t do.

      Thank you for your opinions, though. It gave me something to write about.

      Just for the curious – from the free online dictionary says:

      a. The judgment of a jury or judge that a person is guilty of a crime as charged.
      b. The state of being found or proved guilty: evidence that led to the suspect’s conviction.
      a. The act or process of convincing.
      b. The state of being convinced

      Judgment –
      1. The act or process of judging; the formation of an opinion after consideration or deliberation.
      a. The mental ability to perceive and distinguish relationships; discernment:
      b. The capacity to form an opinion by distinguishing and evaluating:
      4. The capacity to assess situations or circumstances and draw sound conclusions; good sense:
      3. An opinion or estimate formed after consideration or deliberation, especially a formal or authoritative decision:
      a. A determination of a court of law; a judicial decision.
      b. A court act creating or affirming an obligation, such as a debt.
      c. A writ in witness of such an act.
      5. An assertion of something believed.
      6. A misfortune believed to be sent by God as punishment for sin.
      7. Judgment The Last Judgment.

      and Condemnation -

      1. To express strong disapproval of: condemned the needless waste of food.
      2. To pronounce judgment against; sentence: condemned the felons to prison.
      3. To judge or declare to be unfit for use or consumption, usually by official order: condemn an old building.
      4. To lend credence to or provide evidence for an adverse judgment against: were condemned by their actions.
      5. Law To appropriate (property) for public use.

      I think we know where Texture is coming from.

      Peace & Love

      • Just so everyone is on the same page .. this is the meaning of soothsayer. Please read the history of the word, not just the current meaning.

        One who claims to be able to foretell events or predict the future; a seer.

        Word History: The truth is not always soothing, but our verb soothe is related to soothsayer, the word for one who tells the truth, especially beforehand. The archaic adjective and noun sooth, “true, truth,” comes from the Old English adjective and noun sth with the same meanings. The Old English form derives from Germanic *santh-az, “true,” which comes from Indo-European *sont-, one of the participles from the Indo-European root -es-, “to be”: the truth is that which is. Old English also formed a verb from sth, namely sthian, “to confirm to be true.” This is the ancestor of soothe; its meaning changed from “to assent to be true, say ‘yes’ to” to “humor by assenting, placate.” Doing the latter on occasion requires something less than the truth.

        Love & Peace

    • Okay then, so, answer Ama’s question, please. What is a fundamentalist like yourself doing on a Paranormal site such as this knowing the answers and reactions you will get?! Do you think that you are going to CONVERT any one of us?!! I have been on the other end, but now I choose ENLIGHTENMENT!!!! The only thing I asked from you was to be respectful of others on this site. You can state that, what you believe Ama to have said to be false, but to dive in and personally attack her because her belief system is not yours is flat out wrong!! It is only your BELIEF that she is lying, not the complete and utter truth!!! And if you say it is, I challenge to prove it and not with scripture, because, as far as I am concerned that has been tainted!!! Show me CONCRETE proof; otherwise, it is just your belief, just like it is with the rest of us. And if you do not like the reactions you are getting, you have the God given free will to leave this site and post no more.

    • You know Texture, I have been nothing but polite to you, and I get hateful remarks in return. That makes me sad…not for myself, but for you. Living with hate in your heart will wear you down and break your spirit. As much as I disagree with you your cruel statements towards others, I still wouldn’t want that to happen to you because you are a human being. However I am not going to lie and say that I respect you because I don’t. There’s nothing respectable about condemning others who don’t see things from your perspective. I tried to see things your way but, I’m not that flexible, and I can’t bend my head down that far.

      I’m going to end this conversation with you here and now because frankly, you’re spewing venom towards people that I DO respect…that in turn is wearing down my patience and I refuse to react to you out of anger. I do hope that someday you will see that loving others is a whole lot easier than hating them. Love brings you so much closer to the creator than hate ever could. Just something you might want to mull over in the future. I have no idea what could have happened to you in the past that would produce such an angry viewpoint but, I will send positive thoughts your way so that eventually you can heal from whatever is going on in your life.

    • And by the way, I’ll leave when I feel it’s time to go…and not a moment sooner. I am not your child (Thank Heavens). I am a grown woman and I will do as I see fit on my own terms, not yours.

      • Yes, I’m glad I’ve grown up too, Diana. LOL

        Love & Peace

        • me, too!! I’m glad I’m a grown up, too!!! LOL!!

    • i agree with Diana, from this point on your comments will be nothing but vapor, spam. For all I know, you could be one of those internet trolls like the poor misguided fool who made a point to praise God for causing a 9.7 quake and tsunami in Japan. Saying that he shook the people of Japan and woke them up. Innocent lives we lost that day, and, by the way, it was man’s doing, not God’s that cause the quake(from all the oil drilling.) I wish people would stop blaming God for the things WE do!!
      You heart is filled with nothing but hate, and somehow I feel you missed Jesus’ point; he wanted us to love thy neighbor and thy enemies. Jesus never mentioned raging any kind of war. You are so sadly misguided I don’t even know where to begin. I pity you; I feel sorry for any individual who can not find love in their hearts. It is absolutely very sad, and you are one very sad individual. If you call me Satanic(and YOU DID!!) then I call you Demonic. You are nothing but the opitomy of Hate, anger and loathing that Satan and his Minions thrive on. Maybe it isn’t Ama doing the Devil’s bidding but you; insighting and breeding loathing and anger among people. What happened to turning the other cheek? I think you were asleep in Bible class. Anyway, I am done. SAY ANYTHING YOU WILL; I WILL NOT RESPOND. This is the end of my communication with you. May someday you discover God’s true intentions for us and find a way to stop the hate and loathing that breeds deep in your Soul like an infestation.

    • We don’t have any knowledge or right to judge anybody else in terms of that person’s heart relationship to God. Only God knows what’s in a person’s heart. Someone whom we think is despicable, God might know as a wonderful person. Similarly, someone we think is good, God may see as a hypocrite, with a black heart. Only God knows the truth about every individual.

      • Thank you, Diana, for bringing me back to earth with that one! Got the best of me and It never should have. I apologize.

      • Well said, Diana.

        Love & Peace

    • Now, I know I said that I would speak to you no more, but this comment is for everyone else as much as it is for you. You speak of a war going on; yes, there is. This war you speak of is between God and the Devil. I feel, Texture, that you are taking the wrong approach to fighting this war by breeding hate and loathing among other fellow human being who are caught up in this war. Unwittingly, you are actually doing the Devil’s bidding. You see, I do not feel that the way to win this war is by “attacking” provoking” or breeding hate and anger amongst my fellow human beings. I believe the way to rid the devil from our lives is to love and respect each human being, reguardless of religion, race, or creed, and to remove fear from our hearts. In the statements such as yours, I feel that you are just spiritually immature. Now that I feel I have said what is important, I will speak no more directly to you, for in speaking to you, I feel anger provoked in me, and I choose not to go that route with anyone. As one wise person told me, “Love them and leave them alone.”

  12. Hello Stella,
    To answer your question directly, i believe it is possible to practice the ‘practical” side of Wicca, and be Christian, but I have to ask you something, and I am in no way being critical, but why exactly do you want to practice Wicca? Many Wiccans will tell you that Wicca is, in fact a religion and i am not sure if you would be contradicting yourself to be a practitioner of two religions, unless all you want to do is spell casting. Wiccans have rituals that honor Sabbats and Deities. They are a Polytheistic religion. Each of their spells, rituals and incantations, involve invoking a certain deity. So, just do some soul searching and thinking; are you questioning your own religion, or do you think it would just be something fun to do? One word of caution; be careful!!! If you are to truly practice Wicca, you need to know exactly what it is you are doing and why. My suggestion to you is to go and buy or rent from the Library, “To Ride A Silver Broomstick” by Silver Ravenwolf. She is a true practicing Wiccan and High Priestess. Just read the book and have respect for this religion, for she advises, in the beginning, that Wicca is a religion, and it is dangerous to dabble. Best of Luck!!! I am only posing these questions to provoke thought; be sure this is what you want to do. Also, some Wiccans may be rude to you because they feel you may be making light of their religion, being that you might not know much about it. Also, as you may see on this site, many Christians call Wiccans Satanic, which many of them are not. I don’t agree with rudeness, but it is a sad fact that there is intolerance in many religions and Wicca, by far, is the most persecuted. Please read the book and take many things into consideration.

    • Just so you know, and I have stated, I do not tolerate rudeness; I was merely giving you insight as to why a Wiccan may be on the offensive, especially, and unfortunately toward a Christian. I am not excusing the behavior. And, also for the record, not all Wiccans are like that.

  13. Personally, there is quite the controversy on this question because. There are many “christians” here that perform acts or show abilities/preferences that most christians frown on. Christianity has killed more people in the name of their religion than any other religion and is why it is as “popular” as it is.

    Don’t believe for a moment that the catholic church doesn’t have people reading and researching on sights just like this one, they are a powerful organisation and shouldn’t be ignored that they will also defend their religion and beliefs as quickly and certainly today as they did back in the day.

    So christian – cannot practise wiccan. Special – I believe in my own version of a loving and understanding god like Ama believes in you can do pretty much whatever you want as long as love is in your heart. Hope im not misinterpretting your fundamental belief in that Ama just kinda the way I take what youve been saying.

    Wicca though they take very seriousely and if you don’t and just want to dabble certainly most real wiccans would be offended as there are many part time wiccans that do things they think are ok just making stuff up, there is a reason that Wiccan magic works and you can’t go get a spellbook at waldens books and it works. They are actual rituals and spells passed down through generations.

    Just my two cents.

    • Wicca is NOT an old religion. In fact it is only been in existence since about 1940. True that the creator of Wicca borrowed practices from the past but it is a new thing. Most people probably think that Wicca is an ancient tradition but it is not.

    • Hi JG,

      I like the Wiccan version .. ‘If it harms none …” not even yourself. That does put a limit on how people can behave, and makes karma something to be carefully considered. Every one of our acts has a repercussion .. and we must be prepared to ‘reap what we sow”.

      Love & Peace

  14. Hi , im Elizabeth <33

    im thaa Only christian in my whole family , im 15 yrs old & i eccpect it Jesus christ as my lord and salvation when i was 14 , i just wanna say that NO ; u cant Do wiccan Magic & serve god at thaa samee time b,c ; jesus says "You shall have no other gods before me" its thaa first commandment , [ READ THE BiBLE] & he also said " No one goes to tha father but thruu me " & tha reason y im at this website is b,c i was thinking about tha same question , but god opened my eyes , im not gonna get used by dirty satan ; & when ur a christian and know about god u should deff know that we have three enemies the first enemy we have as christians is Satan ,Second is tha system of tha world , & our bodies , it says it in tha bible & idk y people think of god as religion ; He's Not ,jesus is not a religion ; he's life , He's beautiful <3 , Do you even know what it means to follow jesus? it mean to follow thaa Truth , Amen ? :]

    Written By Elly ; May tha Lord bless u all <3

  15. In so far as Wiccan magick invokes other Gods and Goddesses and Christian worship involves affirmation of loyalty to Christ alone I would say the two are deeply incompatable. That being said however, there are elements of the two practices that aren’t so far apart. So some cultural / ritual adaption could be justified. But even so, Wiccan friendly Christianity and Christian friendly Wicca are not the same thing.

  16. :) It Depends on your definition of “Christian”.

    If you believe that in order to be a Christian, you have to believe the Bible… then obviously NO.

    If that’s the answer you are looking for.

    Other Than that… then it doesn’t really matter.

    Really why stick with labels? Just pick and choose what you believe.

    Everyone has that ability.

    As a believer of the Bible… then though… we do have theological issues of what they believe.

    But each is free to choose.

    I respect some if not most Wiccans (that I know)… a lot more than “so-called” Christians.

    The two religions are very similar.

    My Pastor said, God is saying “Wake up Christians! Look at what they are doing!”

    I hate those people who say that we have to stone them. They don’t understand Scritpure! They are evil wicked people.

    “In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;”

    Like with animals, and the planet Earth. The Scriptures are there… all they have to do is actually care about something other than themselves!

    “Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.” Jeremiah 31:35-36

    (I hope that all-caps is okay, because it is a quote. And it is how the Bible shows the difference between God, the Father and the Son… by all capitals)

    God’s going to create a New Heaven and a New Earth… Restore all things back to paradise.

    I don’t have a lot of friends as you may have guessed. :P

    I agree with them. God is not Male or Female. (Well except for Jesus).

    I also agree where each individual is responsible for their actions.

    And I think about people, forcing their will upon another. I hate that. Which some Christians think that they have to do.

    They also admit that there are evil things out there… Although they don’t know where they come from. At least that is what someone told me.

    I too have experienced this.
    One thing scared me when I was monkeying with it… I started to hear another voice in my head. It was a she. I don’t know… but whatever that thing was… I felt like it was controlling me. This isn’t a game of implications to another religion ( :) )… but to me *that* was wrong.

    I don’t know what is was or where it came from.

    But I also hear another voice. Which was just as real as that voice. I call Him the Holy Spirit. He wasn’t like that. He just says love. It’s not like “You must do this.” It is “I want you to do this.” And He’s gentle. And I just listen to that voice. :) And one time I was like… “*Fine if you want me to I’ll do it. Just because you said so. I don’t want to, but I will*” And He said, “Then don’t do it then. I don’t want you to do it, like this. If you don’t want to then don’t.”

    He asks some very good questions though… the same as I’ve had when I was looking into it:

    Not to cause offense or to say that I am right and you are wrong… but obviously I am a Christian. I do have questions… :) I don’t understand everything. These are problems I have with it. Although… I could pick out a lot (more) of problems with the way “Christians” act.

    There are many sects and I don’t know all about every one of them.

    “If your tradition contradicts the tradition of another Wiccan, can they both be objectively true?”

    “How do you feel about believing in the religious system where you cater your religion to your desires?

    If you cater/construct your religion according to our desires, then isn’t it nothing more than your own invention?

    “Why do you think that rituals dealing with candles, knives, and such are able to affect nature?”

    Not *does* it work… but *why* does it work? Because ummm… yeah I wondered that. I love nature. Trees don’t lust, or strive. They just are content.

    Plus… I just don’t like the idea of reincarnation. I like who I am right now… O_O I don’t want to be someone else in the future.

    Plus I like, in the Bible, where God is going to make it so we all can be together. What am I going to do in the next life? What if I fall in love? Hmmm….?

    Plus, I like the idea of death not being original design. I don’t feel good about killing to live… even plants.

    That’s another thing I believe Christians have got wrong… Marriage.

    Does this really make sense, if God didn’t respect animals, “Behold, the delicious piece of veal, meant to be consumed upon you lusts, of God!”? It is “Behold, the lamb of God.”

    God provided Himself a sacrifice. :)

    It also says that it is our own… fault that they die! We are hurting them, because we are out of balance. D:

    I do believe their is an ultimate right or wrong. I don’t think each and every individual should choose what is to them. I also believe that their should be someone who is perfect in charge and a judge.

    As I’ve said I have a lot of respect towards them. Also. I AM NOT Catholic. I AM NOT Protestant. I do not support the Crusades… or anything like that. I am from another sect of Christianity. The book the Trail of Blood documents this. We were not supposed to do this. And we are the hated people of Christianity….

    But then there are a lot of two-faced people in my sect as well…. :( And that don’t believe what we believe and yet call themselves by the same name.

    And I *love* nature. It is the most beautiful, precious thing I have ever seen. But I believe in the law of cause and effect. I believe no effect is superior to it’s cause. I believe if I can see such beauty such gentleness in nature. I know that the one who Created it, is so much more. Besides… in my own personal experience… the love I felt inside me when I got saved, I don’t believe

    Something also, we have in common is that I believe the Earth is like man’s Mother.
    Man was formed from the dust of the ground. But I think of her as a parent, to honour… not worship. Isn’t that one of the ten commandments…

    “Honor thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.”?

    “Let the people praise thee, O God; let all the people praise thee. Then shall the earth yield her increase; and God, even our own God, shall bless us.” Psalm 67:5-6

    *Anyways* in conclusion. Many of our beliefs are compatible… but if you want to be hardcore either Wiccan or Christian… then the answer is no.

    I’m a Christian and I really love the Earth. I believe all things are possible. I believe in loving everyone and everything.

    I love Wiccans too.

    I don’t know much about the relationship of Wiccans with their deities.

    But (please feel free to add a correction <3 )

    This is what mad up my mind… (but it doesn't mean that it is closed)

    Remember, always, in every empty moment, to call upon the Gods not to forget thee, for they are forgetful and very far away. Light thy fires high in the hills, and on the tops of temples and pyramids, that they may see and remember. ~ The Necronomicon (Astral Projection…?)

    Can a woman forget her sucking child, that she should not have compassion on the son of her womb? yea, they may forget, yet will I not forget thee. ~ Isaiah 49:15

  17. Oh… doi.

    Hmmm…. I was never interested in Wicca for the power.

    So basically you and I have the same question,

    “Can a person do something supernatural, without it being Biblical witchcraft?”

    I would say in principle “Yes”.

    This is just to answer a question. It’s not an attack or anything… if I quote something… I’m citing a reference.


    I suppose it wouldn’t be wrong as long as it doesn’t violate Scriptural commandments. But if you really want to know… and you are sure you want to serve the God of the Bible, that it is your religion, pray and ask Him about it.

    The first commandment is, “Thou Shalt have no other gods before me.”

    So basically acknowledging anything as a god, and drawing power from it would be against the Bible.

    So that basically knocks off, if not most Wiccan magic. Because it is a religion.

    Okay, to be certain… the question was, “Is Wiccan Magic compatible with Christianity ?”

    Again… I’m not trying to offend anyone… just answering a question. If you define “Christianity” by following the Biblical account of Christ, then No… they are not.

    “There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, Or a charmer, or a cunsulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. For all that do these things are an abombination unto the LORD…” (Deuteronomy 18: 10-12)

    That scripture, knocks of using not only gods, but familiar spirits, or spirits to get things done.

    Enchanting someone, or charming someone, or something, goes against free will which is a sin.

    Necromancy… you are not supposed to try or just to contact the dead.

    Don’t burn up your kids to some god to get power okay?

    Divination is bad. Basically, God controls the future. Don’t try to predict it by yourself. Or relying on some other thing, to help you see, (like Tarot Cards, Tea Leaves etc.). Because then you are trusting in something else. A lot of people do this, but then cannot predict the future without using that method. Then it boils down to what you believe. Either those things help you read, or it is coming from someplace else. Some people do have dreams, and visions, without seeking other entities or means to get them. God does give people dreams. But it is from God. Divination comes from the word “divine”… or God-like. It’s like saying that you are God, or that something else is. Idolatry. I am such a person who has had dreams, but has not sought out other means. Things I dreampt were vividly real. And they would be fulfilled exactly. Except in those dreams, something bad would always happen. I would fall down the stairs and kill myself. I would know the building to which I had never been… yet I did not fall down the stairs. I began to make sure, I did not let the dreams determine my course of action. I went the same exact way as I did in my dream. Nothing ever happened. My dreams, I would always end up hurt. I was living my life in fear.

    “For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.” 2 Timothy 1:7

    I prayed about it and they stopped.

    Observer of times, doesn’t mean owning a calender. It’s just another form of divination.

    Sorcery is also forbidden in the Bible.

    Witchcraft…. uterring a spell. Okay, say you wanted too…. make a tree grow… You say some phrase and they grow (supposedly for reference) Now… without any method… try willing them to grow. Just some mental adjustment and tight clenching. Except magic doesn’t work like that. Why do you have to *say* something in order to draw “raw cosmic energy of the universe”? Jesus, just commanded things, with authority. Like in Mark 11:14 In Jude 1:9, the angel did not use a spell, but said, “The Lord rebuke thee.”
    So basically, the question for the Christian would be where is this power coming from, or who am I relying on.

    Some shamanism involves taking drugs and going into the spirit realm. Well… “drunkenness” is a sin. I guess… it could be kind of like that. I don’t want to do drugs anyways… so…

    Okay, now getting power from the Earth.
    I guess getting help from something is okay, as long as you sought God first, and aren’t breaking one of His commandments. And aren’t worshiping the thing that is helping you out.

    But “mother Earth”, or whoever it is.. from a “Christian” viewpoint… she says a lot. She seems to want a lot of favors, before she’ll do anything. “But don’t they sound fun the rituals? Those are the things that please me, and my Earth. It’s not hard” You have to repeat them over and over, and then maybe she’ll grant you what you ask. Burning herbs… etc. I know that was my experience with it. It did seem like fun… but I grew tired. It seems a lot less like love, when you have to earn everything. Whereas salvation, and God’s other *gifts* are free. At least the thing I came in contact with. I can’t believe the Earth, would want a Christian to give glory and honour to anything but God.

    Also, in the Bible God is not creation. He is the Author of it. So worshipping the Earth, by that standard wouldn’t be the same.

    “Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.” Romans 1:25

    “Enflaming yourselves with idols under every green tree,… in the valleys under the clifts of the rocks? Among the smooth stones of the stream is thy portion; they, are thy lot: even to them hast thou poured a drink offering, thou hast offered a meat offering. Should I receive comfort in these?” Isaiah 57: 5-6

    “The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.” Jeremiah 7:18

    “Saying to a stock, Thou art my father; and to a stone, Thou hast brought me forth: for they have turned their back unto me, and not their face: but in the time of their trouble they will say, Arise, and save us.” Jeremiah 2:27

    Just be careful you don’t violate any of these commandments, or couldn’t be in contact with the Devil. I haven’t found this yet though. :) Like this psychic told me that I needed to get in contact with my gut, or intuition. To ask “it” for advice. To talk to it. To treat it like a person, because it is. It seems to me, that it sounds more foreign than originating within myself….

    Also… it is a sin to “want God on a leash”.

    And I’ve also come across the argument that New Testament Christians can do this.

    *Again*, I am not promoting my religion. I am answering a question…. to the best of my understanding. Please feel free to comment.

    There is a New Covenant. In which we only have to obey two commandments. It is when we are under grace.

    But you are only under Grace if you are lead by the Spirit as in Galatians 5:18
    “But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.”

    In verse 17, it says, “…the Spirit against the flesh: these are contrary the one to the other:”

    Verse 18 says, the works of the flesh are”…witchcraft…(vs. 20)”

    The two Commandments in the New Testament are,

    #1 “Love the Lord thy God with all thy heart soul and mind.”

    #2 “Love thy Neighbor as Thyself”

    What does it mean to love God?
    “If ye love me, keep my commandments.” John 14:15

    Anyways feel free to comment. This is more “what does the Bible actually say?” This isn’t “Who’s right?”

    My advice to a Bible believing Christian is,
    “Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.” Proverbs 3:5-6

    That’s what I do… and I have peace now. About the lies others have told me, about my caring about the planet… Everything like that.

    If you don’t believe in the Bible… then I suppose there is no need for worry…. assuming you are right of course.

  18. Again addressing the Biblical witchcraft: About the punishment for it, and God’s attitude and tolerance for it.

    I wanted to address the ***misconception*** of stoning more… and go through the Scriptures to show that it is not Biblical. Not in the Old and Not in the New Testaments.

    People (Christians) are mentally capped… if they think that they just have to stone someone.

    Or… not part of God’s ***perfect*** will. And that the same attitude is preserved.

    Not all those who served other gods were stoned in the Old Testament. King Solomon did serve other gods… but he repented.

    The entire nation of Israel was into witchcraft continually… yet God ***of the Old Testament*** did not destroy them.

    The God of the Old Testament: “As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?” Ezekiel 33:11

    “The Lord is… not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
    II Peter 3:9

    “For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” Romans 6:23

    “Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:” Romans 5:12

    “For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.” I Corinthians 15:45

    “For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.” John 3:17

    “The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.” 1 Corinthians 15:56

    Also… ***stoning*** and being put to death wasn’t an Old Testament attitude. The same attitude is preserved throughout the Bible.

    God didn’t want stoning any more in the Old than in the New.

    Jesus wanted repentence as well, but not condemnation or death.

    “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.” ~ Jesus Christ

    “I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.” Luke 13:33

    “I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.” Luke 5:32

    “For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.” John 3:17

    “The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.” 1 Corinthians 15:56

    “What shall we say, then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! Indeed I would not have known what sin was except through the law.

    Sin took advantage of those commands and deceived me; it used the commands to kill me.

    So the law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good.

    Now, did something good bring me death? Of course not! But in order that sin might be recognized as being sin, it used something good to cause my death, so that through the rule, sin might become more exposed as being sinful than ever before.” ~ from Romans chapter 7

    It’s the same attitude. God wanted to save people from sin even in the Old Testament.

    I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death” God speaking… Old Testament Prophecy (Hosea 13:14)

    “O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.” I Corinthians 15:56

    No condemnation for believers in Jesus:

    “He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.” John 3:18

    “For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” Romans 6:23

    “But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God’s grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many!”~ Romans 5:15

    “…think ye that they were sinners above all men…?”

    “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” Matthew 12:31

    “Don’t misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose.” Matthew 5:17

    “I can guarantee this truth: Until the earth and the heavens disappear, neither a period nor a comma will disappear from Moses’ Teachings before everything has come true.”
    Matthew 5:18

    That proves that God’s plan did not change… and He did not change His mind. He does not have a multiple personality disorder. God is love. He is a merciful God. Always was, and always will be.

    Also, if you believe in the Bible, then that means that God preserved His word, ***somewhere,*** and it is 100% correct… down to the punctuation. And all the rest are just paraphrases. Sometimes they can be useful… but not like the real thing.

    Please feel free to comment. :)

  19. Hmmm… my first comment was edited.

    The “He” I was talking about, in reference to the questions, was not the Holy Spirit. It was the man I was refering to, in my link which was edited out… which talked about Wicca and Christianity. :)

    That’s okay I guess.


    I hope I’m not getting on the moderator’s nerves. heheheheh….

  20. That was *my* words, not the *Bible’s*. I must say that all of those weren’t *exact* quotes. They weren’t meant to be.

    “For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.” Revelation 22:18-19

    But *paraphrases* some of them, I took elsewhere, for conciseness. lol

    Especially Romans 7 Romans 5:15 Matthew 5:17 & 18 They are meant to be taken as paraphrases. The message is meant to come across as the same… but by no means are they the *exact* words. Therefore, I left the references. :)

    To be sure!


  21. read mark 11v22-26 magic is childrens play jesus deal in miracles and jesus said when you belive in him you can tell a whole mountain to move and it will. if i was you i would’nt play around with the little people go to the big man himself jesus and he will take you to another level amen

    • I guess not one single person is that close to God or Jesus because no one can tell a mountain to move and it will unless you blow it up or use heavy equipment to do this.
      Not every word in the bible means what we take it to mean. This most likely means some thing different not sure but no one can make a mountain move just by asking it too.

  22. K. Smith I only have a few things to say to you

    first one is this

    God says thou shalt not place any other GOD before me he did not say that we could not worship any others just as long as he is first and four most.

    Then another thing is that you try to spread the word of God but you do it such of a Raw way and I would think that God would not like the way you are doing his work.

    The last thing is God and Jesus is not the same Jesus was and is the Son Of GOD Meaning that they are two different things. This is how I see them.

    I would also think that God would like us to worship his creation maybe that is what is going on with the way the world is going every one just throwing trash out and treating this beautiful Earth like a piece of crap is wrong.

    I see no wrong doing in practicing Wicca at all they do it for a good reason most of the time.

    I have one more question K Smith do you really understand the bible I mean every single word of it and know what it all means?
    If you do then you are the most smartest person in this entire world because no one knows what it all means at all.

    I am only asking because you seem to know it all and know what it all means and so on.

    Yes I do think that God will accept us that practices Wicca as long as we put our faith in him and believe in him he will still love us all.

    One more thing if we lived our entire lives as bad people killing and rapping and doing all that is against GOD all of our days and on our last dying breath we repent our sins and that is it all is forgiven and all is good and we will go to heaven?

    • Shalom(Peace be unto to you)
      Queen Icess!

      I was taught that before me, means before His face, and eyes. The Scripture’s that I quoted did seem like God was unhappy with people for worshipping the earth.

      Also the Bible does say, “I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.” Isaiah 45:5-6

      As for Jesus not being God… well the Jehovah witnesses believe that. That is a long topic….

      However, in Revelation chapter 1, in verse 8 the Speaker says, “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning: and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.” Who is the beginning? Who is the Almighty(all powerful)? God the Father.

      If we keep reading, and go down into verse 11 He speaks again, “I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last…” Who is the Alpha and Omega? Who is the first and the last? The same as in verse 8. The Almighty. God the Father, Jehovah.

      Now towards the end in verses 17-18
      “Fear not; I am the first and the last…”
      Who is the first and the last?” The Alpha and the Omega. God Almighty.

      Now the full quote. “Fear not; I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and behold, I am alive forever more, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.”

      When was God the Father dead????

      He wasn’t… well at least it doesn’t mention it in the Bible. The person who was dead was Jesus Christ.

      “One more thing if we lived our entire lives as bad people killing and rapping and doing all that is against GOD all of our days and on our last dying breath we repent our sins and that is it all is forgiven and all is good and we will go to heaven?”

      Hmmm…. if you’ll bare with me, and get past the first sentence then I’ll answer you.

      Everyone and everything is supposed to last forever. But wickedness, is what caused death. Just a solitary act. The first sin that brought death into the world, was taking a piece of fruit.

      What good comes from destroying life? It is done to stop another from hurting another. At least in the physical life. Wickedness, actually kills and hurts plants and animals too, and humans.

      “How long shall the land mourn, and the herbs of every field wither, for the wickedness of them that dwell therein? the
      beasts are consumed, and the birds;…” Jeremiah 12:4

      “The earth mourneth and fadeth away, the world languisheth and fadeth away, the haughty people of the earth do languish.
      The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance,
      broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate:
      therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.” Isaiah 24:4-6

      It causes death, and yet God also puts His foot down, and causes it Himself.

      But God loves, and will forgive them… if they do ***repent***. Repent means to change your mind. Not just “Oh, I’m sorry”… but that you never want to do that again. You change your mind about it completely.

      The physical realm is still corrupt, even our physical bodies. But when they repent God makes that person a New Creature. Someone who doesn’t want to do that, ever again forever. But until God creates the universe new and our bodies, our flesh still has the wicked nature about them, and their spirit, and flesh are in a constant struggle.

      That still doesn’t mean that they necessarily get off Scott free in this life, but that they do not need to be destroyed permanently, or taken from this Earth for some people. And yes, God forgives them, and loves them. What kind of God would He be if He required something of us to love us?

      Also God chose His people. He knew what choice they would make ahead of time and chose them.

      None of us would even be like this if it weren’t for sin. Sin, mulitplies, and brings about death.

      God knew them from their Mother’s womb. Then He watched them grow and what choices were made. I can’t believe my eyes, about what has happened to my nieces and nephews.

      If someone opened their eyes, and saw what they did, what hurt they inflicted and would do anything to make it right, even to there hurt, and would spend the rest of their existence making it right, why would you destroy them? What good would come from it? Would it not be better to let them live?

      Hate is what wants to put someone to death. It’s not necessarily the best result.

      God is just. AND God is merciful.

      That is your answer. :)

      I hope that helps.

      • As for Jesus not being God… well the Jehovah witnesses believe that. That is a long topic….

        Jehovah witnesses does not even really believe in Jesus like as we do also the celebrate Easter the day he died but they do not celebrate the day he was born Christmas which all of these are man made holidays of course but still I do not agree Jehovah witnesses ways at all. But then again I find some things in every god believing religion that I agree with and things every religion that I do not agree with that is why it is so hard for me to really claim a certain religion. But I am in no way a Jehovah witnesses at all.

        AND God is merciful. In the bible God destroyed the whole earth with a great flood only because he did not like what he saw now did all of the Living Creatures deserve this NO I am sure that not every one was bad that were killed I am sure that Noah and his family was not the only Good people in the whole world there to me is more to this but if you just go with that then he is not merciful. This is our all AND merciful God . Do not get me wrong I believe 1000% in God and Jesus but I have the right to question any thing and every thing and I do every day and have all of my life.

        • Hi QueenIcess,

          Christmas, as I’m sure you know, is actually the pagan festival of Yule (or sun (son) return) is not when Jesus was born. According to various lots of researchers he was born in either February, March or September .. no December mentioned at all. LOL
          I think the Christian church would have done so much better, if they had not tried to take over everyone else’s beliefs. That smacks of lack of intelligence, arrogance, or simply just fear, but that is my opinion, and I am a Christian.

          MyName, nice to see you. I am enjoying reading what you write. I agree about the kids of the world today .. but we have to remember .. lack of disciple, love and caring starts with how the parents treat the kids, and how they raise them. It’s up to us, as parents, or aunts and uncles, to remind the kids that the rules are ‘love one another’ and not ‘take what you want’. Pity society seems to have forgotten that, in its rush to be ‘rich’. Did we invent the ‘god’ called Mannon, or is it just another one of the devil’s many faces?

          Love & Peace

          • Hi Ama!!
            Yes, the Catholic church took the Featival of Yule and turned it into Christmas to help their newly assimilated(lmao!! Star Trek reference!!! Showing my age and nerdiness, lol!!) Pagans to adjust to Catholic life. In fact, they did that with many of their holidays, such as Ostara, which is Easter, Samain, and All Hallows Eve or Halloween, just to name a few.

    • QueenIcess,

      1.) Not only does God tell the Israelites NOT to worship other gods. He told them that he would punish them for it. Further more God does NOT share his glory or worship with anyone.

      Exodus 34:14 – For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:

      2.) I am not here to share the gospel. I am here to comment on the stories that are posted. I should add that no man knows what God thinks including me.

      Isaiah 55:8-9 – For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

      3.) Christians are forbidden to worship the creations of God.

      Romans 1:25 – Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

      4.) According to the bible Wicca is an abomination to God.

      Deuteronomy 18:10-12 – There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, OR A WITCH. Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.

      5.) Truthfully, I have been reading the bible for over 30 years and I have to pray daily and ask God in Jesus name to give me wisdom, knowledge and understanding concerning the scriptures. The bible is the LIVING Word of God no man can understand it unless God is guiding, instructing and teaching him daily. This is why Christians are told to read their bibles, and pray everyday and they will grow, grow, grow….spiritually.

      6.) According to the bible you CANNOT serve two masters. You cannot serve God and Mammon or Diana or the Mother goddess. Remember God is a jealous God.

      Matthew 6:24 – No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

      7.) Anyone who believes in Jesus and repents of their sins and tries to live a righteous life will see God’s face. However, no man knows when he will die. You might go to bed one night and never wake up. You cannot count on repenting with your last breath because you just know when your last breath will be.

      • I love humans. :-) Say one thing, do another. There’s a name for that.

        In the meantime. Here’s another lovely quote in Romans. Taking it out of context .. 1:20 “For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. Ever since the creation of the world his eternal power and divine nature, invisible though they are, have been understood and seen through the things he has made.”

        Actually, Romans 1:18 is interesting too. “For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against the ungodliness and wickedness of those who by their wickedness suppress the truth.”

        I don’t notice any Wiccan’s suppressing God’s truth, but I can’t say the same about various Christian churches over the millenia.

        Wishing everyone one a lovely weekend .. mean that sincerely. LOL’

        Love & Peace

  23. And this is why I choose not to follow any religion. Its just The Creator and I. For me, so much simpler, far less conflict and I accept responsibility for my own actions. I try to never knowingly hurt anyone, and I try to respect the beliefs of others, even when I disagree.

    Sorry. Went off what I wanted to say. To the question asker: you do whatever is in your heart to do. The only rule is never go out of your way to hurt anyone. Most wiccan spells are about giving back to the earth and the four elements, treating our planet with kindness and love, moon goddesses, sun lords, etc. If you think you can do that, and keep your faith, then why not? If you’re not harming anyone, then don’t be afraid to follow your heart.

    Good luck, peace and hugs!
    Steph x

    • GirlRacer I agree with you on what you said people should not get mad when they do not agree with some one and then try to start a war over it all I believe as well that as long as you do not hurt any one and still keep your heart with God and help the earth and all living things on it then you are not doing wrong. If you let God guide you all the way and if you are doing the wrong thing then he will let you know some how and then you can repent to him and make things right. very nice answer lady

    • Hi Steph

      Yep! I agree with you – our relationship with our maker works best if religious teaching doesn’t cloud the issue. Therefore, a one-on-one relationship is the best kind to have with God. A personal relationship that is based on Faith alone, not on religious doctrine which has been learned parrot fashion.


    • And yet, many people need a ‘foundation’ (other people’s wisdom and experiences) to their faith, to grow and learn from (towards, or away from). Leads back to the question of ‘did humanity invent (a) God’ to fill a gap in their lives? We are the creators, after all. LOL

      Love & Peace

      • Hi Ama

        Good question (or thought!!?) ….

        Or maybe … some folk can’t think for themselves / work it out for themselves, therefore need instruction / guidance / to be told what to believe to be the truth. The religious extemists (for example) are brain-washed into doing horrendious things in the name of their religion / god, but if they were to stop and think about it, it is not their god telling them to kill themselves and others – rather it’s some power-crazed phycho with an agenda which is a far cry from anything remotely god-like.

        And, of course, not all of us are free-thinkers after all – some simply can not think ‘outside of the box’. Some are more akin to the sheep, rather than the shepherd.

        So – I think ‘man’ created religion for a variety of reasons, where as our ‘god-source’ created faith.


        • Right AJ,

          It was both a thought and a question. :-) Lots of people ‘need’ to be led, or think they do, because it’s easier (lazy?) than thinking for themselves .. and then, as you say, there are people who genuinely can’t sort it all through. The concepts of God and belief can be very complicated, inside and outside religion .. particularly if you dig into some of the old ‘fathers’ of the Christian Church.

          For example, during my theology studies I read some of the writings of one man we were told was profoundly wise, by the name of Barth. One of his quoted sentences was (about) 200 words long, German translated into English, and without commas. Reading it out loud to my mother, to try and understand what the man was saying, we decided that it could probably have been made to say anything a person wanted it to. Perhaps the translation wasn’t good, but it was a ‘recommended’ text, and an old, well-thumbed book? And then there is the OT. Ancient Hebrew has no punctuation of any kind (it was added later), and I myself found at least one sentence whose meaning changed depending on where you took a breath (put in a comma). I know I marked the sentence at the time .. I’ll find it again one day. LOL

          And extremists have their own ‘bible’ .. they also seem to follow where others lead them, which is very sad.

          I agree with your comment about man creating religion and our God source creating faith.

          Love & Peace

  24. I actually think that you are all forgetting a very important point. There isnt only one god. There are many. Even the major christian religions recognise this fact. If what you believe in isnt the christian god- faith isnt there the chance that another more loving and kind god might be answering your prayers?

    Not all gods are petty and/or vengeful as the one in the bible is. There are several that really are just trying to help mankind. But most of their followers were killed by christians so some were forgotten or just don’t want another crusade on their peaceful followers.

    Not sure where the peaceful loving and forgiving god your all talking about in the bible was though. From a biast standpoint he wasnt forgiving but jealous to be worshipped and you could only worship him. Forgiving? Most who passed his tests lost loved ones or had horrible lives just to TEST their faith.

    Just my two cents maybe I should open a new discussion for that one. But honestly I believe most of you are in touch with another power but not the god from the bible. Am I wrong maybe, its just an opinion. Just some food for thought.

    • Jestergypsy

      “But most of their followers were killed by christians…”

      I agree. Those people were wicked that did that, and weren’t following love.

      But, those weren’t true Christians. They couldn’t be for Christ taught

      “Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.” Matthew 5:43-45

      “For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.” Matthew 5:46-48

      And if we are to try to convert someone we are to go to them humbly, and tell them. And then leave it in God’s hands.

      “In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;” 2 Timothy 2:25

      Those were wicked evil people who did those things. And then they did it in the name of Christ, a man who died for others, not wanting others to die for Him.

      And you know it wasn’t just the people who believed in other God’s they killed people who named the name of Christ, right along with them. :(

      • MyName!
        OMG!!! Thank you so much for those quotes!!!! I think that what you say provokes much thought and it is really great to have another fresh perspective on here!!!!! :)

  25. Queen Icess:
    Oh, animals! I know much about the God of the Bible’s love for animals and the planet! :)

    Yes, I also find it interesting that in Genesis 9:10 and also 15, that the covenant of the rainbow is not just with man, but “with every living creature”.

    God mad Himself accountable to animals as well.

    Also, the books of the Law… the Sabbath or day of rest also applied to animals as well. :)

    People would mock me. I was very discouraged. But the next day, I went out on my business… and there in the sky, was the biggest, beautiful rainbow I’ve ever seen. I know God showed it to me. He was giving me the sign of His approval that all this was from Him.

    And I knew that the Creator of the Universe was a just God. I prayed to Him. I prayed that He would help me understand. But the God of the Bible has never discouraged me from my love of the Earth. He’s only encouraged it. I asked Him. And He gave me the Scriptures, when I opened the Bible, I found the verses:

    “Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name: If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel shall cease from being a nation before me forever.” Jeremiah 31:35-36

    “Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David. His seed shall endure for ever, and his throne as the sun before me. It shall be established for ever as the moon, and as a faithful witness in heaven. Selah.” Psalm89:35-37

    In case you didn’t know, Jesus Christ is the heir to the throne of David. That is why the Bible is so focused on lineage in the Gospels.

    These are Old Testament Scriptures though. So it’s not good to just take the New Testament out of context. Else, people will come up with the error, “New Heaven, and New Earth.” It’s not a New planet. It’s reborn, and restored.

    Also, not only humans, but animals are in prophecy throughout the Bible. In the Old and the New.

    One of my favorites:

    “For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.” Romans 8:19-22

    People will argue that it is just talking about us, but right in verse 23 it picks up, “And not only they, but ourselves also…” So it is not talking about us… as it makes a contrast.

    I wait for that day too. I know God will open their eyes. But it doesn’t make a wit of difference, because it isn’t up to humans who gets into Heaven.

    Also, animals hereafter:
    “And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.” Revelation 5:13 Else, men learn to live in the sea.

    Also, God wouldn’t call His own Son, a hunk of flesh meant to be consumed upon our own lusts.

    Also, it is a pretty well accepted fact that animals die because of our sins… at least by what I gather over the internet.

    Because of different verses like in Jeremiah,

    “”How long shall the land mourn, and the herbs of every field wither, for the wickedness of them that dwell therein? the beasts are consumed, and the birds;…” Jeremiah 12:4

    God also gave me this Scripture:
    “For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.” I Corinthians 15:22

    And people will argue that animals don’t have souls, when the Bible doesn’t teach that.

    “For as the body without the spirit is dead,…” James 2:26 Duh… but they just keep right on clinging to setting up man like a god, or some other thing for that matter…. that only he can have a soul.

    They say that man alone has the breath of life… but they are wrong

    “And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.” Genesis 7:15

    Also, they are formed from the dust like man, Genesis 2:19, “And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast …”

    Also, it shows in that verse that animals were originally designed as companions for man.

    “I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.” Ecclesiastes 3:18

    Man is the most intelligent creature on the planet. It is His responsibility to care for everything. To be as God is to us. Unfortunately, man has to live through the reality, that sin comes at the price of life, not just of his own but others. He sees what sin does every single day. To live he must kill. Oh, that men would see this, and turn to Christ, who offered Himself up instead. And promises to break the curse.

    The true Christians I know, don’t think that way of animals. They never asked God,and looked into the Bible like I did , but they never believed like that.

    Then still others, just turned away from God completely because of this. They lost all faith. They didn’t trust His love. :( So they looked elsewhere for answers…

    “He giveth to the beast his food, and to the young ravens which cry.” Psalm 147:9

    “O LORD, thou preservest man and beast.” Psalm 36:6

    This is the first Scripture that God gave me,

    “Yea, the sparrow hath found an house, and the swallow a nest for herself, where she may lay her young, even thine altars, O LORD of hosts, my King, and my God.” Psalm 84:3

  26. (Strictly Regarding the questions)

    It needs to be said that.

    God is love, and is a Father. Now, you may love your children. But if your Son, got up one morning, and started smacking your daughter up side the head with a ruler, then you would do something about it. Love him still, you would be pretty darn angry with your son.

    Also, God promises:

    “For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.” Romans 10:13

    “And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered:…” Joel 2:32 God of the OT.

    So in seeking things remember this Scripture:

    “Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.”

    Colossians 2:18-19

    It is a fact that no angel in the Biblical texts accepted worship. The rebuked them and always said, “Worship God.”

    God also did not spare His own Son from the grave, to help you. How much more would a loving God help you if you ask Him? When we pray, “In Jesus’ Name”… we are saying, “for the sake of the name of Jesus.” Jesus is our mediator. Our justification before God rides on Him. And He was perfect.

    “For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.” Heb. 4:15-16

    God Almighty, is ready and willing to help you, not just Christians, according to the Christian Scriptures. The priest in the Bible interceded with God, not angels anyway.
    God is love.

    Praying in Jesus’ name, to an angel or something..What would that mean to him? You would be 1 upping him. Who’s help would you prefer? What if the angel found out that he couldn’t handle the problem after he began?

    Even Michael the Archangel had trouble: “Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.” Jude 1:9

    Also, “before me”. There are Scriptures in the New Testament as well:

    “And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.” Luke 4:8

  27. well no because christians practice christianity and wiccans practice that but i think you could

  28. you can actually practice it if your a christian

  29. Yeah, totally.

  30. i dont like god so i cant be a christian! but im not goin to judge you for it an if you wanna do wiccan magic go ahead :)

  31. The wiccans and magicians get help from devil and demons and have dispossessed god. A person that get help from gods enemies (Satan and his group ) how can be slave for god ? Me seems if we think logical and religious all wiccan , magic , voodoo , and other actions like these are forbidden in all divinely religions.

  32. If you read up on Wicca/Paganism you will see that Christianity has some of the same beliefs as wicca does. There have been many Christians that have started questioning their religion. I believe you should do the research and find out for yourself because the argument can go on and on.

  33. I feel sorry for the woman who started this thread. All she wanted was a SIMPLE answer as to whether or not she could do magic while still being a christian, and what she got was an inbox full of mile long episodes of The Sean Hannity Show: RELIGIOUS EDITION
    :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P

    • And your comment was supposed to be helpful? I love it when people complain and then add to whatever it is they are complaining about. :)

      • Luckily the lady got her answer first. :-) The rest was just a bit of fun. :-)

        Love & Peace

        • I think it has been a great discussion with lots of interesting points and thoughts. I am a bit of a smart Alec I suppose – especially when someone posts for nothing more than to complain (or thats what it seems to me).

          • I think so too, CT. :-) I must admit I laughed when I read the comment. LOL I do understand Gabe’s point of view, though. The church stuff can bore people silly … unless a person enjoys a good debate. :-)

            Love & Peace

          • I do enjoy a good Bible discussion myself. I especially like it when folks do NOT post lengthy Bible quotes. Posting chapter and verse would be sufficient to me. That way if folks want to read the quotes they can look them up. And if they dont have a Bible then they should get one. Whether you believe or not you should have one (or many) in your library. But anyway lets discuss not simply copy and paste is what I say (though I dont often get time to write comments as I would like. Even now I rush and try to get it in quickly so naturally my focus and depth may not come out as well as it could.

          • I think the true believers are frightened that the unbelievers won’t bother looking the words up .. I think they would be right about that. I just scan down long quotes, and don’t pay much attention until I really want to read the question .. or comment .. and then check it out in my books. I agree every household should have at least one bible .. our oldest is from before 1837. It’s gorgeous. Then there’s the 1915 of my grandmother .. great for demon removal from 12 year olds LOL .. and then there are all of my other ones. And I’m only ‘mildly obsessed’ (family joke). And I too prefer discussion .. but they get so cross with me ? ROFL

            I do wish you had more time to play with us. It’s great fun here in your playpen. :-)
            Love & Peace
            Ama LOL

  34. i think whoever wants to study witchcraft isn’t evil or whatever, I’m only 14 years old and i just got interested in it. BUT!! i still want to serve Jesus , i don’t want to be any part of Satan and his foolishness. I’m just so confused because i want to experiment this “Wicca” spells and stuff, but i know I’m on Jesus’ side all the way. Just because you want to try these spells to see if they work is that wrong? I don’t know …

    • Hello Jane,

      The problem with being fourteen is that we feel grown up, but truthfully, a person is not actually all that old, and life is, hopefully, still something fun and to be experimented with. And that includes looking at other belief systems and trying to fit them into our own.

      But, to be a ‘LAW’ abiding Christian you cannot practise Witchcraft .. which means doing spells that will affect other people, and yourself. So … if you want to stay within the bounds of Christianity as you believe in it, don’t go there. And do me a huge favour, even if you do start experimenting .. DON’T go near Ouija boards. They are incredibly dangerous. Also, Jane, think carefully about every single spell you ever try. Something as simple as a Love spell can destroy a person’s life, if it works. You might like a boy at school, and spell him into liking you, but .. how will you ever know if he would have liked you without the spell .. how could you possibly trust his feelings for you .. because of the spell? Do you see what I mean? I would rather take my chances on him truly loving me for who I am, than bind him to me – while his spirit fights and tries to break the spell all the time, which is what happens. The pain and conflict I would have caused in him would be horrendous, and really bad for me as well. The Wiccan Rede says ‘do no harm’ and in so many ways a love spell is truly harmful.

      My name is Ama Nazra and you’ll find me listed here on the site on the right under Friends. I am a Christian, like you, but with a wider perspective on the faith.

      Be careful honey.
      Love & Peace

  35. Ama, you make a great chameleon, karma chameleon. Lol

    • Sorry Anonymous? Not sure if that’s a compliment or an insult. :-) LOL

      Love & Peace

      • I have no idea myself but gave the benefit of thedoubt

        • I vote, bad Boy George reference, personally. :)

          But…..hmmm…..Karma Chameleon……that gets the ole brain pan uh thinking. I mean, Karma changes you, and you change karma in your life/lives. So karma IS the chameleon!!!

          Thanks anon….you gave me something to spin on during my next planning meeting that’s coming up…


        • No problem, CT, :-) shouldn’t dish it out if you are not prepared to ‘take it’. I hope this Anon will explain itself?

          Love & Peace

      • Its actuallly a pop song from the 1980′s.

  36. hey miss ama i was googling how i could b cristian and wiccan and thank you for opening my eyes :D

    • You are welcome, Dougie. This whole site turned into a very interesting discussion. :-)

      Love & Peace

  37. I’m Pagan….not Wiccan. But practice magick sometimes. Funny thing is, so do Christians. What is magick, an invocation or a ritual but a prayer? There truly is no difference.

    For you to be Christian, you must believe in Christ. No other rules really apply.

    You should do what YOU feel drawn to do. Pray about it. Maybe it is for you, maybe it isn’t. But one thing is for certain, Wicca is not evil and you won’t be tossed aside by Jesus for praying in this way.

  38. as a wiccan myself im sort of concerned by some of the comments here however il say do what feels right for you god is merciful andwill not look down on you for doing white magic if god created the world would he not have created nature.and if that is true by honoring nature would you not be honoring god like i said im a wiccan and i dont feel evil or that im going to hell i think ypu should do what feels rigjt for you

  39. so im confused is it bad i came here for some awnsers and i deffinetly dont wanna be agaonst god but ive always loved doing ghostly or magical stuff but i dont want to be aginst god and you guys are really confuseing me lol help?

    • Hi Anonymous,

      I know its confusing, because Christians are taught they should not go near magic or ghosts, and for good commonsense reasons, but what do you do if you are born a medium?

      I was, among many other gifts frowned upon by various churches. I use my gifts to help other people, Christian or not, and sometimes I go on ghost adventures with my friends, to help keep them safe, and just for fun. I met a lovely ghost lady the other day, who still ‘owns’ her house .. actually her granddaughter now owns it, but the lady-ghost is still the boss there. :-)

      There is magic in the bible, Moses and various others used it, but it was kept from the general masses. Later Christians, who wrote the new testament, didn’t think it was a good idea either, so we are still told not to.

      Living with a foot in both worlds, as I do, I can only recommend using commonsense. Be careful, protect yourself and your energy, and don’t do anything that will harm yourself and others, and then its up to you to choose what you want to do.

      Love & Peace
      Ama Nazra (listed below under Friends)

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