This Ouija story was given to me by a friend of mine who did several sessions communicating with a friend of his who said he went to hell. This is his email to me, word for word in his own words…
I’ll tell you what he told me. His name is Drew and he was a gang member from my area that died and went to hell. He said that it is very dark and smoldering hot where he is. He told me that the Ouija board is an oracle designed to talk to the residents in hell and that some spirits may be good souls that were banished to hell for not believing in God, but most of the spirits are bad spirits faking it and trying to seem good. Since my uncle knew him, he was telling me about this on multiple occasions.
From what he has told me, there are 3 stages after death. There is heaven (Gods palace), limbo (our world – you are stuck here to haunt something till you move on), and hell (Satan’s palace). I don’t know, he said that it was too complicated to explain, but he is in hell and at the same time he is in the room with me. He said that he can be in 2 places at one time. He would warn us of demons that are coming through and said that the Ouija board is a portal to hell. They are still in hell, but half of them are in your home. That is how evil spirits are released through oracles.
He told me that hell is forever, and when he first went there he was in dark nothing with light shining on him. The light started closing and souls began to grab him and bite and suck his flesh. He screamed for mercy, but his actions were unforgivable. He said that when you go to hell, damned souls will grab you and drag you down while ripping you apart, but of course he paraphrased it. He said there is no getting out of hell. You’re trapped there for good, but he said the devil allows some demons to leave so that they can damn souls.
On several sessions, Drew said he had to go because his friends were calling him and he was drinking corona’s (a beer). I found that odd that you can drink current time beers in hell? He even talked to me while he was drunk on the board, and you could tell he was drunk because he couldn’t spell. He saved my uncle one time, because my uncle is a gang member too and he told him not to go outside on a certain day. My uncle didn’t believe him. My uncle sat on a plastic chair outside, then I said, “Drew, if you’re there give us a sign.” So he grabbed the chair and pulled it out from under my uncle. We went in scared, and later that day there was a drive by and my uncle’s house was shot up. He only lived because of Drew.
He said that they can read your mind, and they can either touch things or use their minds to move it. He said he can’t throw anything around unless we talk to him and give him energy to do so. Also, all of them can see into the future, but they are not allowed to say much in fear of the big man. He said that if he said anything about the future, the devil would do something. And when I would ask him what, he would just repeat SAVE ME, SAVE ME, SAVE ME, SATAN, SATAN, SATAN. He was very afraid.
He would warn us and would say go to church, Satan is coming, so we were scared and ended the session. He said that the more we talk to him the more power we give him. There was once a spirit who was pretending to be Drew, and Drew came back and he told me something that amazed me. We told him what happened and he said, and I quote, “hold on – ill be back ima go kick his ass.” He came back, and he said he whooped his ass. One time my dad was saying that stuff isn’t real, Drew is a nobody. Drew got mad and threw the board to the ground and said leave now, he said he was going to slit my fathers throat and kill him. I got on my knees and begged him to let my father be because he is ignorant. And he said RUN he is coming. We asked who was coming, and he said over and over again SATAN SATAN SATAN SATAN SATAN SATAN. So we stopped and left the board out on the porch. He would predict who would die next from a shoot out and was always correct. He also said that he raped people in hell and he was also raped in hell by a mightier spirit. He said that higher level demons will rape people in hell.
During one session, he told us to change the channel to one where it had static. He said turn on music so you can see me dance. We did, and the static was jumping up and down to the music, and that blew my mind. He said that most of the time he gets drunk in hell, but he says most of his time in hell is being tortured by demons and Satan himself. He said he looked at his face, he’s looking in the face of Satan, and he told me that it is the most horrifying thing that you will ever see. He began to cry. A grown man who lived on the streets killing began to cry like a baby. Every time I ask him what does Satan look like, he starts repeating his name and says he is crying so it must be crazy scary. He also said that some people that you see on the streets are not really humans but are very powerful demons that are there to influence people to do bad things.
He did mention a demon’s name that he is afraid of as well. He told me not to say his name out loud, but it was cool to write it down. He said his name is “Zetoh,” and he is a pretty big baddy. He also said that Succubus demons that have sex with humans are real. He told me to stop talking to him and to trust in God because he said hell is a place, a dark place and it is fiery hot. It looks like a dark fiery earth. He joked and said that they weren’t kidding about the brimstones of fire and the lake of fire – its all true. He told me to follow God so I don’t ever have to see what he has seen. To answer your question on what hell is like, it looks like a battle zone on fire. He said it is worse than anyone can imagine, your brain can’t even comprehend how horrific it is.
Updated 09/20
My friend just did a few sessions a few weeks ago and has some new information to add. This is part 2 in his own words:
This is some new information from some new sessions done recently on the Ouija board. I recently talked to Drew on the board and he said that he was incorrect on one thing that he told me earlier. He said that only part of hell is covered with brimstone and fire. Other parts look just like a regular neighborhood but no sun or moon or stars in the sky. It is pitch black and the only light they have is the light given off from the fire. Drew said that he was thrown into a lake of fire before. He suffered for years, he didn’t tell me how many years he was in there for but he also said that time goes by faster in hell (that’s what he told me). Drew even warned me that it was Satan’s will for me to talk to him as it is an attempt to get me into hell. He said that ALL spirits on the Ouija board, NO EXCEPTIONS, are either from hell or limbo.
He said that spirits in heaven are not permitted to talk through the Ouija board. He also said that all spirits and everyone in hell, including him, are considered demons. Once you’re in hell, you are a demon. He said that not only can he be in 2 places at one time but he can also be in multiple places at one time as well, which sounds amazing.
I also learned that there is another realm and it is called purgatory by humans (note that I said humans). It is where the saved spirits by God are sent to be tortured for there sins but it is only temporary and everyone in purgatory goes to heaven. Purgatory is the realm where we are punished for the last bit of sins we have and made into perfect angels because to enter the holy kingdom one must be perfect. He said that it is true that they do have spiritual battles but he has only fought other demons though. He said that he gets into fights all the time in hell and likes it but he doesn’t like the torture.
And there is beer in hell because beer is an invention by the devil used to poison humans because we tend to be stupid when we are drunk and easy to manipulate (but wine is created by God and not to be overly consumed like beer). Drew also told me something two weeks ago when I last talked to him. He said ‘Dont- let-him-scare-u’ and then he stopped talking to me and I put the board away. Later that night as I went to sleep, I had a vivid dream where I was walking with my girlfriend and she told me to stop using the board to talk to Drew. I asked her, How do you know Drew? She then looked at me and her face turns pale white, veins started to become visible and the color in her eyes turned gray. She then screamed in a deep voice, something I didn’t understand (different language I guess), and pushed me. I then jumped out of bed in a cold sweat, almost in tears.
I think it might have been a demon or something but to this day I’m still afraid to go to sleep.
Written by Big Chief, Copyright 2009 TrueGhostTales.com
UPDATE
Talking to a Friend in Hell part 2
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WOW! We just finished a Bible Study on Angels and Demons and our pastor told us again and again that Ouija boards are portals and not toys and to stay away from them! I believe everything Drew has told you and am thankful that he saved your uncles life… please be VERY careful not to get into the ouija board too deeply….
I LOVE this story.
Whoa. That is so scary. I have always believed in a higher power, but not necessarily the way the Bible describes. This makes me reconsider…
To be honest, I can’t really believe this. I was brought up Catholic, but hate religon as it is a money stealer. I don’t think that there is a hell, as humans have been in space, and theres nothing out there to do with this.
You can’t believe this. What does this story have to do with religion??? The theory of a “heaven/paradise” and “hell” has been written well before Christianity or any of the major religions today. “Hell” or “Heaven” is not religion based. The Egyptians, the ones who built the pyramids, wrote of a “hell” after death where a person’s heart was weighed on a scale upon death. If the heart was lighter than a feather the person would go to a good place, if the heart was heavier than a feather the person would be devoured to oblivion for eternity by a demon like creature. This was written well before Christianity!!!!
I believe heaven, hell and other dimensions are real. I don’t believe the ouija board is a special tool cause I’ve seen people use homemade boards out of contruction paper and it still worked. I believe spirits are all around us and we just can’t hear them normally through their voice. The ouija I believe, acts as a communication device in which the spirit world can communicate with us through our energy/aura on the board.. I don’t believe they are allowed to interact with us (most of them) unless we talk to them thus giving them permission to do so. There is nothing special about the ouija board.
What would you say if I told you that chairs and items were thrown around right before people’s eyes. Not just before 1 person but 4 or more persons.. How would you explain this??
crazy wild story, scares me
ghost’s are real i saw one when i was 8 and now ive been seeing them ever sceance then so i gesse im paranormal
I do not like this story. aaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh
Hell can’t be real!! I sure hope not. If it is, we are all screwed.
I second robert. But at the same time..all we gotta do is believe and follow the Lord. This story is one of the more interesting ones thus far. Thanks for sharing… I feel bad for drew.. Yet I hope he didn’t do something so bad he deserved to go to Hell. Which brings me to the question… Who determines whether or not we go to Hell? Does God turn you away? Does Satan drag you away before ever meeting with God? I wouldn’t think God would want his children to suffer ever.
-robert-
LOL! in regards to this story i just loved it. i loved the part about his friend drinking beer in hell. Beer is good though why would something good be in hell?
That was a demon talking to you, not any deceased friend .
To be saved from hell you need to accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior. The reason your friend gets drunk in hell is because sin is still committed in hell. To get drunk is a sin. I find it interesting and scary that rape happens, but rape is a form of torture..
pat ,…I think you better start believing in the fact that there is a hell wether you like it or not,….I for one have had quite a few dream’s of hell somewhat,…have gotten an idea of it,….have seen discombobulated body’s walking around me have been in a cave and seen these naked bodie of about maybe 20 or even 7 at the most,..they would sit there and look at me worried because you know who was coming to get them,….they looked at me as if to say you are lucky you are not be taken by him,…but we are,..I looked out the cave and there were normal looking mountain’s to me and a lake as well,..or call ir a river actually,…but something about that river/lake told me that it was not just a river/lake that definetly he was coming for those soul’s instead and this place that these people were sitting on was like ………………just plain cement and that there was this 2 foot crack in the middle of these people where water was going through there as well…….these naked body’s were not very happy where they were going and I said to him,..noooo!!!!,….you are not taking me with these people,…I will not go with you no…..and my dream ended…..I a have been in the mountain’s and seen darnessand the heaven’s that are dark and my voice echoed in such a calm but echoing sound like I was talking in his voice and yet said very loudly to him….you are not going to take here,…………..I see and know what you are doing to me,…and my dream ended,….I also had a dream that I was in this nieghborhood and it was an unusual darkness of no life and no lite but there were these light’s on on most of these porches,……..it you can tell that this situation with the porch light’s was not good at all,……there was one particular house that I had gone to and this house was conddeemed ,…..there was this old man that sat in this king’s chair like he ruled the world or just the nieghborhood and he was not good at all…..more nastier than you could even imagine!,…you coul tell that and even see that in him like to be sayen to you,..I have no mercy on you!, nor for you at all,…….then there were these two other demon’s that you could tell that you could tell they had no mercy for you either ,..the girl looked tall,….and nast stone cold no soul in her and stood by her father side liked she worship him with evrything like she could kill you without even thinking of it,…she had a brother that was just as cold and cruel just the way there father taught them to be,…but I don’t think that thi mean man and his kid’s even exist because the de— has no kid’s!,…I don’t really believe in that,…but I do believe is that he can have his follower’s follow him and believe in him young or old!,…..
IF THERE IS A HEAVEN THERE IS A HELL
IF THERE ARE ANGELS THEY ARE DEMONS
TALK TO A PRIEST THEIR IS A WAY TO SAY YOUR FRIENDS SOUL NO MATTER WHAT HE HAS DONE IF HE IS REALLY SORRY FOR THE SINS HE HAD COMMITED GOD WILL BE MURCEFUL AND SAVE HIS SOUL. YOU NEED TO PRAY FOR HIM AND WHEN YOU GO TO CHURCH ASK THE PRIEST TO SAY SUMMON FOR HIM EVERY SUNDAY SO HE WILL BE SAVED. I REALLY FEEL FOR HIM AND I KNOW HE CAN BE SAVED. LET ME KNOW WHAT HAPPENS AND DON’T USE THE BOARD AGAIN BECAUSE SATAN KNOWS YOUR FRIEND IS TALKING TO YOU AND IT WILL TRICK YOU.
GOD BE WITH YOU ALWAYS
Wow….Amazing story, I am blown away,I believe there is a heaven and a hell, I have seen the battle field your freind discribed to you in a dream, I was in the same field, I was crying with my hands held up to the sky,Jesus was there and He said to me I quote ” come with me and no harm will come to you I love you”. I went to church the next night for Weds night bible study and told my pastor of my dream and they prayed for me.I could feel something pulling from my body as they prayed and exsepted Jesus Christ as my personal savor. I beg you not to use that board again nothing good can come from it.
May the hand of God touch you and grant you peace please go to your church and tell the preist or pastor your story and have them pray for you and if you have not exsepted Christ please do so before it is to late.
SO SCARY
SUNNIE,
I AGREE WITH YOU IT’S NEVER TO LATE TO BE SAVED AND LOVED AND BE ACCEPT GOD IN YOUR LIFE
WHEN YOU DO YOUR DAYS WILL BE SUNNIER AND BRIGHTER AND HAPPIER
Wow….that’s an intense story….keep us informed about any updates. That’s just mind boggling
So much of this doesn’t make any sense. He’s a gang member, so that makes his death fairly recent, but he’s been thrown into lakes of fire for years? Even if time works differently, it still doesn’t make any sense. Neither does the beer thing; he’s in spirit. Beer is corporeal.
I have a hard time with a perfect God who would create imperfect people and then eternally punish them for those imperfections; especially those to whom he gave other difficulties and obstacles: poverty, social and mental dysfunctions, abusive homes… people who have imperfect understanding and sometimes not even the capacity to be rational or empathic commit crimes all the time. It’s a terrible situation, but sometimes the perpetrator is as much to be pitied as any victim.
This is not to deny that there are people out there that are truly, consciously evil. I just don’t think it’s so black and white. If I believe in a benevolent God, and I do, and I wish to follow his example of how to treat people who trespass against me…this would not be it.
So I’m not picking up what this dude is layin’ down, is what I’m saying. And if I’m wrong about that, I’d almost rather be. My God is a better person than this.
oh my gosh – that was soooo scary, but very informative & makes you think twice!!! i believe almost this whole story. please do not communicate with that board ever again. that sucks about drew, but it’s simple.. if you’re the bad of bad, you know where you’re heading when you die whether you believe in it or not. i also agree, it’s never too late to turn your life around, though that is only up to you & your responsibilty.
God has been around since “time” began. Angels were created by GOD.
The “fallen” angels are now demons because while still angels, they rebelled against God, and for this were cast out of heaven.
NO matter what religion, no matter what evil entities each religion or civilization has or had, these are the very same demons who were once angels.
This battle in Heaven occurred before man was created by God.
That being said, the Christian religion consists of the followers who believe that Jesus, the son of God, was born as a human being over 2000 years ago. But, Jesus DID exist with God in Heaven BEFORE he was ever born as a human.
So while the religion of Christianity is only 2000 years old….. God/Jesus/Angels/Demons are much, much, much, much older than Mankind.
So no matter what previous civilization in the past had experiences with demons, they were all created by God…at first as angels. Their own rebellion and “sin” against God is what made them demons.
Tonja
right on!
I Think Tonja Has A Great Point. I Beleive the same way. & Great story 2, it sure makes U Think!
Well this amazed me because i had an obsession with the ouija board i would see spirits in my rooms dark shadows of men and women entities they would try too make love too me very scary and the worst of worst i became crazy i became a rebel everything had too be crazy i had a wild life ever since i touched that board but i thank GOD that something beautiful happen in my life .. after all the messed …. too deep to explained it but let just say it seem as the spirits were in ,me… please be careful with the board if you dont have any experience with it dont touch it… there a purpose for that board and there no joking too it..
let me tell you something my friend,,,, you are playing with fire!!!! and it sounds like you are living in hell….. have you ever heard of hell on earth???? i dont know if you are still around these people, if you are, please get away…..
dont ever take the board lightly,, you have opened up something very negative.. you could be in great danger by the board and by your living conditions!!!!
have you read any of the other post on the ,board???? you dont want to live a life of regret, now is the time to turn it all around… i know its exciting, but it wont be when you live it every day of your life!!!
please read some of my posts!!!! i struggle on a daily basis, just to survive.. its not fun and games my friend, not at all…..
i am sending you a blessing of safety,,, ktm
tonja,…what the heck makes you believe that christ existed in heaven before on earth??….I have “never” “ever” heard of such a thing before to tell you…….I do believe that when we meet in heaven, that we will meet again on earth because it was ment to be of course!,….but as far as christ is concerned,…..I’m not against this at all,…but,….I don’t know about this one??……… I am beginning to think that I know god better then this kind of stuff,…but every time you think you know him or whatever and some other storie comes up about him that just turn’s you’re head and you’re thinking what???………..you think you know him as well as you think you do,…but I guess unles you read the bible…..you don’t know god as well as you think you do,………..you’re obviously a bible/christian person to me!!……..
I believe that you dont go to hell unless you’ve done really bad things. Sex hate murder torture drugs mean kinda stuff… Some of that stuff seemed wrong from my point of view, as a Mormon. But some of it made a lot of sense. No way hell is forever. I learned that ‘even hell will give up its souls at the resurrection’ So hey, be a good person and try to find God and treat people with love patience forgiveness and charity, and you’ll be alright. Take care dude! Kuva \|/
wow that scared me… I always known the board is bad… but to read this and have to find out spirits from heaven are not permitted to talk through the board now that shocked me I did not know that! is this real??? if it is wow good to know thanks for telling… if it is just a story wow fantastic!!!
have a blessed life!
I know one thing, this story sure makes one think about grabbing a Bible and praying for mankind! There is something so disturbing about it that makes it seem so real. I used to use Ouija boards but something bad would happen every time so I got rid of them.
God did create the Angels and some rebelled against him. My question is this: Could that rebellion happen again?
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I am disturbed by this tale and it has me thinking a lot harder about my own life. Thanks for posting it.
I have read a story in a book by Brad Steiger about a Russian atheist whom had a NDE and was being taken by Angels, halfway up, demons started trying to pull him down to hell and he started praying to God for forgiveness and the demons had to leave him be. When he got to heaven it was not his time and he was sent back to earth.
One thing is for certain, one does not want to play around with their immortal soul.
How could someone make this up?
i think sometimes the way you tell your story, your getting a little bit fascinated to drew.. aren’t you scared in hell?
Wow…this is very sobering to me because I have throughout my life for any number of reasons (mostly due to resentments) done witchcraft, black magic, ouja and the whole nine yards and over the last year have been reading internet publications about spiritual
Satanism from a lady named Maxine Dietrich, who describes every single kind of magic, meditation, demon summoning, and divination you can do! And I’m currently doing them! Do I just need to drop it all at once and go back to trying to believe in the Bible, which for some reason or other over the years in my life I’ve found impossible to do? It used to be so easy (but all the animals created in the world at one time all being located on an ark….? Come on…..that would be impossible) but I don’t know…maybe the Bible is true. But if Ms Dietrich is lying (and please look at her on the net to see what I’m talking about and I in NO WAY, SHAPE, FORM OR FASHION SUBSCRIBE TO ANTI-SEMITIC BELIEFS as shown in that site) then that means that she has ruined and damned the hundreds if not thousands of souls who are members of her covens, reading her magic formulas and practices, and who have dedicated their souls to Satan (who, Ms Dietrich says, is “not evil but simply one of the original gods of creation, like the demons, who have all been falsely MADE OUT TO BE evil.” Boy, she really pulled a number on a lot of people, didn’t she? What’s really scary is that runes (which I also have), ouija boards, and magic games and literature like this is just a credit card away at your average, everyday bookstore! And ouijas are sold at Toys R Us like just another toy. So what do I do now? Does God care or know about all of the agents of deception who steered me wrong? Was He at one point talking to to me to urge me to stop and did I just ignore His voice? Because to be honest I don’t think I’ve heard it recently. That kind of scares me.
there is hell and there is heaven.
god does not send you to hell if you are a bad person, he sends you if you do not believe in him, or choose to not believe, or if you believe but do not ask for his forgiveness and for him to come into your heart. God loves everyone. he even loved satan, satan was once an angel but tried to be the best and got too pridedful and proud and tried being better than god so God gave him an option and he sent satan to his own place, which is where we will go if we choose to not believe in god. which is a veryy scary place. i can not wait to get to heaven and see family members that have passed. i am a christain and i do believe in God. Ouija boards are very serious and are all real. i once made one with my friend out of paper, and we had candles and one light on, we werent even ready for it we all three just sat around and one was texting the other was talking to me and i randomly jokingly said “spirits are you with us” then seconds later we got call from a RESTICTED number and we picked up not thinking(thinking it was just a prank caller) we answered and in a very deep scratchy voice that almost sounded like barking screamed and said “WHO IS THIS!!” before we even said hello, we all three looked at eachother scared out of our mind, blew the candles out ripped the board and we all three jumped into our friends bed cuddled up and scared. but what really threw us off is when we got the call it said restricted in all caps. instead of just a capital R…. it was actually just last weekend, and (were in 8th grade)and we havent got a chance to get rid of it yet,, but we plan to burn it next weekend. so if you are not a believer talk to god ask for forgiveness of your sins ask for him to come into your life, and maybe you can try going to church on sundays.
drew sounds like a good spirit to me, but sumtyms. u dnt kno if theyre lyin or nott.but he iis helpinn yuh.maybe he can get anoda chance. can he?wat gang he in?
The part where you say “He also said that some people that you see on the streets are not really humans but are very powerful demons that are there to influence people to do bad things.” I can tell you this much I know that is TRUE for a fact. How? Been seeing them around everywhere more than us normal humans all my life, something that’s been passed down to family members for ages.
However don’t be to sure this is a “friend” evil will take the form of just about anybody. They love to play games and play tricks.
this story scared me out of my mind!!!!!!!!!!! it makes you want to pray to God and not stop. im so scared…….
This was a scary story – and I don’t doubt that some of it is true. However, I really wish everyone would stop posting comments about how they ‘dream of hell’ and they ‘have seen ghosts all their lives’…..if everyone had these dreams/experiences…none of us would be going to hell – we would all be perfect because of fear that we would be tortured like “Drew” in the story.
One of the best stories online I have ever read… It has what many others don’t… DETAILS !
Your story brought up many interesting points, and I think everyone is focusing on the wrong ones. For instance, all spirits who use the board are either from hell or purgatory. I mean, I totally agree! The evil spirits from hell are the most common in these stories, but I also believe that the stories about “good” spirits may be referring to those from purgatory, who are not necessarily evil. Also, the fact that beer is an invention by demons. I don’t believe Drew was very accurate with that, based on the fact that beer is full of nutritional value (REALLY, it is!) IF you use it in moderation, the same with red wine, however, BOTH have the possibility of making you intoxicated if you drink too much. I believe that yes most stories of drinking in the Bible are wine, but that is because they did not know how to make barley hops or brew beer yet, but it is insanely easy to make wine. I’m not sure if I find this story quite believable, either that or “Drew” talked a lot of crap because I mean seriously, spirits even bother to rape other spirits? There are some other points I’d make if I wasn’t kind of buzzed from my Corona. LOL yes, I am drinking a Corona while I read this story.
I have had experience of the paranormal and have seen demons with my own eyes. From what I can gather they inhabit the world around us, but are mostly invisible to us, and do interact with us all the time to varying degrees.
So when you have perhaps uncontrollable anger, great anxiety, addictions to drink, drugs, food etc, this can be put down to the work of his infernal lowness aka Satan.
But, as my priest told me there are angels and a guardian angel attached to each and every person, and they with the Holy Spirit protect people by and large from the forces of evil.
When you sin, ie profrane thoughts, swear, steal, lie and go against many of God’s commandments, which let’s face it an awful lot of people do these days, then the good angels start to leave, and the bad angels ie demons start to take over.
By doing occultic things such as messing about with tarot cards, horoscopes, oujia boards etc you open up yourself to demons more strongly.
You’re kind of dialling their direct line as it were. Not a good idea!
If you are being bothered by demons you need to stop all sinful activity as best you can and get rid of all occultic stuff in your house.
They can be got rid off by persistent prayer, fasting, incense, holy water, house blessings can get rid of them. Sometimes it’s easy, other times not. Also negative people and hateful people around you also can affect you and bring up demons against you, believe it or not. Cut out the hateful people from your life to where possible.
But hell, as someone rightly said, is another dimension, and so is heaven. God interacts with us and sees us always. Hell is I suppose when he turns his back on you and leaves you to the blackness and darkness of Satan’s realm.
There is every reason to be afraid, because as good as God is, he can also be vengeful, angry and unforgiving. Get on the right path and stay there. Nothing is ever forgotten and not all things are always forgiven!
So, then an abusive husband might cause his wife to be “picked on” by demons? (As if him picking on her isn’t bad enough!) I have been wondering about that………….
I read these stories as i am fascinated, albeit terrified of the paranormal.
However the description of the “afterlife” sounds a little far-fetched, especially the part where beer is an evil invention and wine is gods. They’re both alcohol, and will both make you do stupid things, if anything, wine has a higher alcohol content than beer.
I try my best to respect others beliefs, especially in the religion; i agree that the idea of the afterlife (heaven and hell) is not just a christian based ideal.
However, religious or not, whether born now or 400 years ago, they’re all still human, and all think similarly no matter where in the world they are born (as proved, egyptians believed in the afterlife and so on) My point of this statement is, the idea of Heaven-Hell is a tale told by man, as a means for people to be good in their life and avoid damanation.
You even stated so yourself that Heaven-Hell is not completely rooted from christianity, but from morals from all cultures. You have just debuked your story by giving a completely biased view of Heaven-Hell with a heavy reference to the bible and christianity.
Whether the story you have posted above is based on complete facts, i will never know. What i do know is, Ouiji Boards shouldn’t be messed with, and that i can’t help but be more than a little skeptical with this story.
Haha, I debunked my own story by giving a bias view of heaven and hell. How did I do that? My friend gave me the info, I posted it just like he gave it to me. He is no religious man. What do you want me to do, give a Buddhist view of heaven and hell? What is the correct view of heaven and hell?? You tell me. If man made up something, does that automatically make it false? If man made up that there was life after death, does that make life after death false?? It does say that there is life after death in the Bible and the Bible is written by man as you say. Now, it is known today that there is life after death. Did man not tell the truth in his written Bible??
Since when was man not qualified enough to tell the truth?? Who told you that man made up heaven and hell to scare people? Where did you get this information from? Could man not have communicated with spirits and got that information from them? Egyptians, Chinese, etc..have all played the ouija type board in their days and communicated with spirits. Native American shamans also talked to spirits. Many of them got their knowledge of the world and how things run through spirit communication. Is that information false if the person happens to write that information down in a book? It could be false as well as truthful. You personally haven’t experimented with squat so you have no idea of what is fact from what is fiction. Come again..
” You personally haven’t experimented with squat so you have no idea of what is fact from what is fiction. Come again..” – So what, you’re saying because i have not yet died and “experienced” the afterlife that my argument holds no water? buddy, unless you died and personally experienced this than you’re in the same boat as me. Of course i have personally experienced some sort of paranormal activity and have accepeted the fact that some things cannot be explained.
Whether your friend actually had contact with spirits that have passed; sure – perhaps i can accept that he did, that sort of thing is open to interpretation, i’m not denying the fact that maybe he did have some strange encounter, it’s not something i can prove did or didn’t happen.
“You tell me. If man made up something, does that automatically make it false? ” – No, it does not automatically make it false, but that also means that it dosn’t automatically make it true either
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“Now, it is known today that there is life after death” – By who? your friend who had contact with a spirit ? If life after death was such a well known fact, and was plausible from all angles, then there wouldn’t be skeptics in life. Skeptics are skeptical for a reason and refuse to believe unless there is factual evidence with no holes that are only backed up by word of man (which is not always the most reliable).
“Since when was man not qualified enough to tell the truth?? Who told you that man made up heaven and hell to scare people? Where did you get this information from?” – This is not any information fed to me, this is my own personal belief. I personally am not a religious person, and in ‘MY’ opinion, religion is used as crutch for people who are lost in life and can only pull through if they believed that someone out there believes in them and will help them pull through when times are tough, that if they suffered here on Earth and abstain from bad, they will be rewarded, a safety net. But thats just my logic, say what you want, i was brought up in a Christian house, but i still have my opinions; I’m agnostic, i’ve come too accept both sides, both the skeptic and the things that cannot be explained.
As for your comments regarding too the bible, buddy; the bible has been mistranslated and re-written over and over again, eg. Revelations – many Christians (and yes i do say christians) refuse too believe that Jesus would tell his diciples about that if they didn’t follow him they would be thrown in the lake of fire for judgement, those chapters were written by man. Which is why many Christians do in fact love God and all that, but do not follow the bible.
All i am stating is that, i have no CLUE if the story you wrote above is in anyway truthful, i’m just stating the logics as i see it. There is no way to derive evidence from any of this, and thus i find this particular story of yours a little hard to believe. Whether it’s true or not, good for you.
To Kopunut1,
When I say you have no experience in squat I am talking about ouija board, seances, occultic stuff and the likes. I am not talking about personal death and the afterlife. I have not died yet so how would I expect you to have personal experience in death and the afterlife when I haven’t myself.. Seances, talking to spirits, summoning demons, witchcraft, etc.. have all been done by humans in every civilization for 1000’s of years even before Christianity. People have written about these experiences and the afterlife from their dealings in the occult. If someone writes down their experience with these things that does not make it false because it was written by “man”. It does not make it truthfull either. The way you check to see if something is false is either to experiment with it yourself or research it for yourself.
To come in here with no personal experience on the subject (ouija, seance, occult, etc..) and say you can’t buy a story because of your personal beliefs (gut feeling) is disingenuous. You have no personal experience on the subject matter so you really can’t discern fact from fiction.. Gut feelings and personal beliefs without research wouldn’t cut it. The Bible has been mistranslated and re-written many times. Does that make the whole book false. Shouldn’t you research it for yourself and find out what’s fact or fiction instead of throwing the whole book to the side.
Like I said already, many civilizations/peoples have communicated with spirits and found life after death or the spirit world to be true. They have experimented and came up with this conclusion. You have experimented with nada and came up with your personal beliefs based on what?? Man re-writes and mistranslates a book so man can’t be trusted and man lies. Man can also tell the truth and write facts based on experimented research..
I’m not saying i can’t by the story solely on a “gut” feeling, but because from reading other stories and other peoples accounts, there are certain inconsistencies and facts that i personally find ridiculous.
There are things that we don’t know, but the truth can somtimes be blurred together with lies, so please i apologise if i choose to pick the ones that could be real and the ones that i find hard to believe.
You say that i have no personal experience with the occult and since i shouldn’t i should just keep my opinions to myself? well dude, have you even touched a ouija board ?
The story you wrote above isn’t even a personal experience of your own, but something your friend told you about, and in fact, via email.
I personally have tried using the ouija board once when i was probably in the 4th grade at school, just with paper and a coin. It felt good to do it, exciting, but afterwards i couldn’t shake off this really intense creepy feeling. That night i could not fall asleep, i kept shivering suddenly even though i live in one of the most hottest countries in the world, i met with my friends and they had the same experience. And of course i have a love of tarot cards.
So yes i have had experience with the occult and i told you already that i believe in the paranormal and the occult (if i didn’t believe in any of these stories at all, than why would i be wasting my time with something that won’t benefit me?)
You told me once that the idea of Heaven and Hell was something created long before Christianity, and existed in all ancient civilisations. And you know what ? perhaps you’re right, there are countless stories here with peoples experience, so perhaps this “reward and punishment” we get after we die is real, i wouldn’t know.
However, even you admit that it’s not just Christianities ideal, but the story your friend recounted sole reference is too the heaven and hell in the bible (aside from the beer), if ancient civilisations thought of the afterlife before Christianity was founded, why is the afterlife your friend recounted just about the christians version of hell?
The ancient egyptians believed in afterlife, but there was no hell, if their heart was heavier than the feather of truth, their soul would be devoured, if not, they move onto heaven or wherever. Hindu’s believe in reincarnation. In Norse mythlogy, there was Valhalla, for the warrior souls, the normal afterlife (for those souls who didn’t excel in anything but can meet with their passed loved ones) and then theres Tartarus, for the evil souls of rape and such, and i hardly believe the chinese civilisation believed in a lake of fire. So yes, i have done my research, and all these civilisations have its similarities and differences, but your friends recount has heavy christianity influences(like putting the lake of fire label), what makes it any better than any others?
I don’t except you to be able to answer these questions, and i’m not asking you to recount in a different perspective, but its for these reasons, and thes reasons alone, that i find it hard to believe.
Besides, this isn’t even your own personal experience with the occult, so why do you insist on labelling me as “wrong”?
Actually your wrong on a few things. In the Bible, it states that souls are taken away until judgment day and nobody can talk to spirits once they past over. They are only talking to falling angels-demons. The story here is about contact with a dead human spirit not a fallen angel-demon. Supposedly you can’t talk to dead human spirits as per say the Bible so this story would be totally false if we went by the Bible. Also, the Bible also states that no soul lingers on earth after death, it is only demons or fallen angels that are here. The story talks about “limbo” which is a stage of living on earth after death. In the Bible, there is no such thing as limbo or spirits lingering on earth. This part of the story would also make it false if we were to go by the Bible. The Bible talks about heaven and hell and no in-between place. This story talks about heaven, hell, limbo, purgatory. Not all Christians believe in purgatory. Its mostly Catholics, Islam and some older beliefs too..
Can you not fathom that maybe some parts of the Bible may be correct and some parts incorrect. Can you not fathom that some cultures beliefs (Buddhism, islam, etc..) may be correct about life after death and some parts may be incorrect. The Bible is not just Christian beliefs. Its also some parts Jewish beliefs, Egyptian stories, and other stories of other cultures in the middle East. Some correct some incorrect. If we were to judge this story strictly by the Bible then it would be a false story off hand since it talks about communication with a dead human spirit. The Bible states that talking with dead human spirits is not possible.
Good stuff Big Chief – I always enjoy your posts!
What precisely is the point of this argument? We have both been wrong on a few accounts, even when we both presented our information, research and experiences. It seems to me we are just going around in circles.
I’m man enough to admit that some things i have said probably we’rnt as accurate, and i still believe a few things your friend witnessed may not be accurate, and even so, i still don’t believe this story. Just accept it dude.
I’m not an idiot, and neither are you, we can both think for ourselves and choose to believe what we want; i’m not trying to coerce you to view things from my perspective, but i do wonder why you are so dead-set to prove me wrong when this is not your personal experience, perhaps i could i have accepted things more if it seemed a little more reliable. Unforturnately that’s not the case, so lets just leave it at that, shall we?
To Big Chief,
My husband killed himself 4 years ago. Where do you think his soul is? I am very interested in your opinion. I heard from other he is in hell, and a psychic told me he is in limbo and following his son because our son was 6 months old when he killed himself and he always wanted a son after 2 girls we had a son.
The reason I ask is because sometimes I smell cigarette smoke in my house and Tim was a chain smoker and also my dog always barks at the hallway and know one is there.
This does not happen everyday just every week. Is it all in my mind? What do you think?
To Childlike:
Personally, I don’t know where his soul is but from what I learned not all people that commit suicide go to hell. Some do go to limbo. I know this person that did a session and said he talked to his father that committed suicide. His father did tell him that he was facing the same problems/struggles that he faced when he was alive. I don’t know how that is possible but I also heard that people can created their own hell when they die. Don’t know too much about that though. There’s a man on youtube who has been doing ouija sessions for like over 20 years. He frequently talks to someone who has committed suicide and that person is said to be in limbo.
If you smell smoke in the house maybe it could be him or residual smoke. I couldn’t personally tell you for sure. Maybe you should try a board and see but that may be dangerous.. Good day…
To Koponut,
I was at some of the sessions too and I did ask about religion but I didn’t put any of those answers from that session here because I didn’t want to turn the story into a big religious fiasco. Plus the contact didn’t know too much about religion anyways..
To big chief -
Hmm i see, still i would tell you’re friend not to use the Ouija board, that thing gives me the creeps .. :/